If you have Hashimoto’s or hypothyroidism, you already know that what you eat matters. You have probably spent years learning which foods calm inflammation, which ones flare it, and what belongs on your plate. But there is a whole other side of food that almost no one talks about, and for many people it is the piece that has quietly been running the show all along. It is not about what to eat or what to avoid. It is about the relationship you have with food itself, why you reach for it when you are not hungry, why restriction feels impossible even when a food is clearly hurting you, and what is actually happening in your mind and body in those moments.
In this episode, Inna sits down with Kim Shapira, a dietitian and nutrition therapist who has spent almost three decades helping people untangle the emotional wiring around food. Her signature question, what are you really hungry for, cuts straight to the reason so many people stay stuck even when they know exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Kim and Inna go far beyond meal plans and into emotional triggers, nervous system safety, the difference between a craving and a hunger, and a few simple practices you can start using the moment you finish listening. For the thyroid community especially, where inflammation, stress, and sensitivity are already running high, this conversation offers a completely new place to look.
The Backstory Behind the Question
Kim’s work did not start in a textbook. It started in a hospital. At twelve years old she got sick and ended up at UCLA for multiple reconstructive surgeries, in and out of care for about five years and visiting specialists all through high school. She was a shy, quiet kid who was scared and in pain, and all she wanted was to be anywhere but inside her own body. On one drive to an appointment, crying in the car, her mom told her not to cry because they would go shopping afterward. It was a loving thing to say, and it gave a frightened child a safe place to put her mind. It also, without either of them realizing it, wired in a pattern. Shopping became the way Kim soothed discomfort, and it eventually became a full shopping addiction she stayed in denial about for years.
The turning point came in high school, when a doctor she was interning with told her something she had never heard before, that food can make a person sick or healthy. That single idea lit up like a lightbulb, because it meant she had a choice she did not know she had. She decided then that she would build a career helping people get healthy, assuming everyone wanted what she wanted. She did all the hard things, college, grad school, her internship, even though she was not especially passionate about food or cooking. What pulled her forward was people, and she knew she wanted to be in private practice so she could build real relationships and actually walk with her clients through their journey.
The Client Who Proved It Was Never About Food
Early in her career, around age twenty eight, Kim helped one of her first clients lose thirty pounds. The woman got off her blood pressure medication and her cholesterol medication, and her liver healed. Kim was proud. Then the client said something that stopped her cold. She said she was going to gain all the weight back, because her husband wanted to be intimate with her all the time, and she had been molested as a child. The extra weight had been keeping her safe. What made it even more striking is that this client was herself a trained therapist, someone Kim assumed would have every tool to understand her own patterns, and yet here was the same wiring Kim recognized in herself.
That was the moment Kim understood that she knew almost nothing about what was really going on inside her clients, and that her clients were eating the same way she had been shopping. Both were reaching for something external to manage something internal. A little later, on the phone with her mom and rushing to catch a Bloomingdale’s sale, her mother pointed out that Bloomingdale’s has a sale every single day. Kim started paying attention and realized food is the same, it is on every corner, five feet away at all times. She was one of the lucky people who never had to worry about food scarcity, and still her mind kept sounding the alarm. That is when the real insight landed. People are not hungry for food. They are hungry for peace around their health.
The Emotional Triggers You Developed Before Age Seven
Kim explains that every one of us develops between three and five emotional triggers in the first seven years of life, out of roughly eighteen possible ways a person can be triggered. This happens even in loving, stable homes. Maybe the house was loud, maybe a parent was passive, it does not really matter. They are simply part of being human, and we spend the rest of our lives learning to work with them. Our partners, our children, our careers, and our teachers all show up to help us master these patterns, and when we go through something traumatic, whether that is a personal loss or a collective event like 9/11 or the pandemic, we add another trigger to the list.
Here is why this matters so much for eating. Your rational brain knows perfectly well that food is fuel. But the second you become emotionally triggered, and you cannot predict when that will happen, your body responds in under ten seconds. It effectively takes the hippocampus, the pituitary, and the adrenal glands offline, and your mind reverts to memory and recall. If in the past you ate or shopped in response to that feeling, that is exactly what your mind will direct you to do again. This is the space between the thought and the action, and it is where all the real work lives. The goal is not to shame the trigger or fear it, but to see it, expect that it will come, and build the skill to pause inside that gap.
Where Is Your Body? Where Is Your Mind?
Kim shared a deceptively simple practice on the episode, and Inna did it live so you can hear it unfold in real time. You place a hand on your body and ask, where is my body? The answer is immediate and grounding. It is here, in this chair, in this room. Then you ask, where is my mind, and you actively go looking for it. For most people, especially anyone who is busy, stressed, or managing a chronic condition, the mind is almost never in the same place as the body. It is planning ahead, replaying the past, solving a problem that has not happened yet, or worrying about the next thing on the list. Inna noticed her own mind felt scattered and hovering above her, and it took several rounds of breathing and returning before it settled into the present.
That gap between where your body is and where your mind is, is exactly where emotional eating lives. Kim points out that we have around two hundred and twenty one food thoughts a day, and each one is essentially an alarm. Sometimes the alarm is real hunger. Just as often it was pulled by anxiety, loneliness, boredom, or an old memory of not knowing when you would eat again. The practice is not to achieve perfect presence, it is to keep asking where your mind is, keep breathing, and keep bringing it back. Like any muscle, presence gets stronger with repetition, and it starts to become your natural state rather than something you have to force.
Food Is Not Your Entertainment, and Why That Matters for Inflammation
One of the most countercultural things Kim said is that food, on its own, is actually boring. Not unpleasant, but boring, in the sense that the pleasure we associate with eating is almost never about the food itself. It is about the connection, the occasion, the people, and the relief. Her challenge to anyone who calls themselves a foodie is to remove every distraction, sit alone with the meal, eat only when genuinely hungry, and chew slowly. Most people discover that what they were really hungry for was never on the plate. This is not about taking away joy. Kim’s second rule is to eat what you love, with one caveat, that the food has to love you back, because every one of your cells is listening to how you think, feel, and talk about what you eat.
There is a very practical, thyroid relevant reason to slow down too. Chewing is one of the most underused healing tools available. A piece of steak is meant to be chewed thirty to forty five times per bite, thoroughly mixed with saliva whose enzymes begin breaking it down long before it reaches your stomach. When you take two or three bites and swallow because you are already excited about the next bite, those large undigested pieces create an inflammatory response in the gut. For anyone with Hashimoto’s and gut related inflammation, that is not a small detail. Simply smelling your food, producing saliva, and chewing longer than feels necessary begins the healing process before you add a single supplement. Inna also names a pattern many listeners will recognize, the paradox where feeling well makes healthy eating effortless, so much so that you forget you ever felt unwell, while someone still struggling assumes the healthy path must be hard.
Safety First: Why Restriction Backfires When You Have Hashimoto’s
Inna and Kim spend real time on safety, because the body cannot heal, release weight, or calm inflammation when it does not feel safe. Kim frames this as nervous system regulation, and she ties it back to that same second rule, eat what you love and make sure it loves you back. She quotes a line she loves, we accept the love we think we deserve, and applies it to the relationship each of us has with ourselves, the one relationship we are in for life. When food changes feel contracting, punishing, or fear driven, you end up competing with your own body, and that is a losing battle, because your body’s entire job is to keep you safe.
Stress, in the body’s language, comes from three things, fear, worry, and pain, and your body cannot tell the difference between them. The stress of being in real danger and the stress of worrying whether a restaurant will have a gluten free option register the same way. This is why restriction that comes from fear works against you. When the body senses threat, including the threat of scarcity, it holds on, weight does not release, and inflammation stays switched on. The reframe is not to eat whatever feels good in the moment, it is to approach any food change, an elimination, removing a sensitivity trigger, or an experiment, from curiosity and self care rather than fear. Inna connects this directly to the thyroid world, where people are often scared into going gluten free with warnings that their antibodies will never come down otherwise. The food change may be right, but fear is the wrong engine, and the body feels the difference.
Breathing as Medicine
Kim offers one of the simplest tools in the entire conversation, and it is free. Every deep breath produces nitric oxide, a compound with a measurable, protective effect on the lining of your cells. She describes it as similar to eating fruits and vegetables, because it helps keep harmful and noxious compounds from sticking to your cells. More than that, every intentional breath is a direct signal to your nervous system that you are safe, and that signal sets off a cascade of healing that no supplement can fully replicate.
For anyone who finds it hard to remember to pause, Kim suggests setting a few alarms on your phone throughout the day as reminders to breathe. When you do, do not just breathe from your lungs. Imagine all thirty seven trillion of your cells inhaling at once, and as you exhale, tell your mind and your body that you are safe, because in that specific moment, you almost always are. Over time, the nervous system learns to default to regulation instead of reactivity, which is exactly what a Hashimoto’s body needs in order to shift out of a chronic stress state.
Becoming the Authority on Your Own Body
Kim and Inna talk about the goal of becoming your own authority, of trusting yourself again after years of outsourcing how you feel to labs, apps, and other people’s opinions. Kim explains why this is genuinely hard using a traffic analogy. Picture a highway that is bumper to bumper, so full that no new car can merge on. That is your mind on an average day. We run about ten thought loops daily, we think roughly ninety seven percent of the same thoughts we had the day before, and we repeat close to half of yesterday’s actions today. To change anything, you have to be intentional about getting new thoughts onto a crowded highway, and that starts with noticing the old ones.
From there, the practice is to challenge what you find. When a thought like I feel deprived without gluten shows up, Kim invites you to ask whether it is actually true, or whether the real deprivation was in feeling sick and missing out on your life. Then she suggests an experiment, try something for three days and simply observe how you feel and what is genuinely yours versus what you absorbed from someone else. She applies the same lens to the beliefs we treat as facts, like the idea that it is impossible to lose weight as you get older. Was that ever true for you, or was it true for one person and then repeated until everyone accepted it? Staying in curiosity, in the honest I do not know, is what keeps you from inheriting other people’s limits, and Kim notes this matters even more now that social media serves opinions as though they were settled science.
Is It Mine, or Did I Absorb It?
This part lands especially hard for the thyroid community. Inna describes people with Hashimoto’s as the yellow canary, more sensitive and more empathic, which means they tend to internalize far more of what is around them. Kim agrees that we are all sponges, picking up beliefs, fears, and feelings that were never ours to begin with, and that real clarity requires being fully in your body so you can tell the difference. She suggests two questions worth asking again and again, is this feeling mine or someone else’s, and is this mine right now or does it belong to a younger version of me, the eight year old or the twelve year old still carrying it.
She reminds listeners that practicing this is like training at the gym. Every time you catch your mind and bring it back to the present, you are doing a rep, and the muscle gets stronger until presence becomes your natural state. She even points to research suggesting the subconscious is not locked in the brain at all but functions more like a cloud we can download new information from at any time. Her favorite illustration is that we always know when we need to use the bathroom, even though most of us could not point to where our bladder actually is. The body is constantly speaking. The work is learning to listen.
Heart, Brain, and Thyroid Coherence
The conversation closes with another live practice. Kim guided Inna to close her eyes and focus only on her heart with a sense of gratitude, and within seconds everything else fell away. Inna could feel and even hear her own heartbeat, and the rest of the noise simply went quiet. Kim calls that state presence, a small taste of calm and bliss that is available to any of us at any time, and it does not cost a thing. There is a growing body of research showing that intentionally focusing on the heart with gratitude improves heart health, and that bringing the heart and brain into coherence supports the brain as well.
Inna takes it one step further with an idea for the thyroid community. What if you extended that same focused, grateful attention to your thyroid, not in a fearful my thyroid is broken way, but in appreciation for a tiny gland that helps run your entire body. Kim loves it, and suggests you can move that coherence from your heart to your brain to your thyroid, scanning up and down with gratitude. For a group of people who spend so much energy monitoring and worrying about one small gland, this simple shift toward appreciation may be one of the most overlooked healing practices available.
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FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Inna Topiler CNS MS (00:02.894)
Kim, welcome. I’m so so excited to have you here.
kim (00:06.904)
Thank you so much for having me.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (00:09.252)
Absolutely. So my listeners are dealing with thyroid conditions and autoimmunity. And so for a lot of people, that means a lot of inflammation. And food is a huge piece of that. And we talk about that constantly. And there’s so much more to food than just what to eat, right? And what not to eat. We were just talking about that in our pre-record. And the question that you ask, and you have a whole book about it, is what are you really hungry for? Which I can totally relate to.
And so I’d love it if we could start here. And can you explain this concept? What do you mean exactly?
kim (00:43.084)
my God. Okay, well, how much time do we have, honestly? I think I’m just gonna give you a little backstory on who I am so you can really understand where that question comes from. I’m currently 53, and when I was 12, I got sick and ended up at UCLA having multiple reconstructive surgeries, in and out for about a year, and then going to visit my specialists all through high school. So, really about five years of my life. And
Inna Topiler CNS MS (00:45.25)
Yeah.
kim (01:12.366)
I was a shy, quiet kid. And there was a moment on my way from Calabasas to Westwood where I was crying in the car. And my mom said to me, Don’t cry, we’ll go shopping after your doctor appointment. And she gave me the safest place to put my mind because my body wasn’t feeling well and I was in so much pain. And I was so scared and it was so scary, right?
And all I wanted to do was be anywhere but inside of my body. And so, you know, as I started going to these doctors’ appointments, I would go to Bullocks right after and have this amazing shopping experience. And who knew that I was gonna end up doing this for six years, right? But what happened is it really sealed the deal with a shopping addiction. And I didn’t know it, and I was in total denial for a very long time.
And this is important because when I was in high school, a doctor mentor of mine told me that food could make a person sick or healthy. And we were having this conversation around like my career choices. And I had been interning at his office and trying to figure out where I wanted to spend my life. And I never knew that food could make a person sick or healthy. So this was like one of those really important moments in my life where every light bulb.
went off because he told me that I had a choice. And I didn’t know that I had that choice until that moment. And so I said, that’s it. I’m going to pick a career and I’m going to help people get healthy because I bet everybody wants to be healthy, not just me. And I did all the hard things. You know, I went to college and then I went to grad school and then I did my internship. And it was not easy. And I wasn’t super passionate about food.
To be honest with you, I didn’t like the cooking classes and studying the way that you know holes were made in muffins. Like this was not what I was passionate about. And okay, let’s do that. Yeah. And so I knew that I wanted to be in private practice because I wanted to establish relationships with my clients and really see their journey and make sure that I was helping them in all the right ways. And so very early on in my career.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (03:14.24)
We can have a whole side conversation about that together afterwards.
kim (03:33.163)
One of my very first clients, and I think I was about 28 during this time. So she was about my age, which is really funny. I helped her lose 30 pounds. I put her on a diet just as I was trained to do. I gave her all the foods that she needed to eat, and she did it. She lost 30 pounds. And in that process, she got off her blood pressure medication, her cholesterol medication, and her liver just healed. I was so proud of myself.
And at the end of that, she said to me, You know, I’m gonna gain the weight back. And I kind of was shook. This was another one of those moments where I’m like, Why would you do that? We literally just made you healthy. Like, what are you thinking? And she said to me, My husband wants to be intimate with me all the time. And I was molested as a child. And it was like this was like a third moment for me where I was like,
This is not about food. And I don’t know the first thing about what’s going on inside these people. And then I started really recognizing that my clients were eating the same way that I was shopping. And I understood that I had to really change my behavior in order to have really significant impact in each person’s life. And so I just started doing the work.
Meaning, what if I put the clothes on hold instead of buy them? What do I feel in my body? What happens in my mind? Can I survive if I don’t buy the new white t-shirt? And then a few years into this, my mom and I were on the phone again, and I said, I have to go, I have to hang up on you. And she said, why? And I said, Because I need to run to Bloomingdales or having a sale and I don’t want to miss it. And she said to me,
Kim, Bloomingdales has a sale every single day. And I was like, what are you talking about? They do not have a sale every day. This cannot be true. And then I started paying attention. And then I started recognizing, wait, there’s food on every corner. There’s food five feet from me at all times. I am one of those lucky people who don’t have to deal with food scarcity. And I started just applying all of these tools I was learning and healing myself to my clients.
kim (05:59.279)
And what I discovered is that people are not hungry for food. They are hungry for peace around their health. And sometimes our mind gets hijacked through the storms that we cannot predict in the day. And so, in order for me to really help my clients heal, I had to give them real actionable steps in order to manage their mind. And that is my long-winded story.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (06:27.703)
Well, first of all, what an amazing story. Thank you for sharing that. And I think for your client, you know, who lost the thirty pounds and then just saying that sh feels like she’s gonna gain back mean. First of all, how extremely aware of her to even make that connection because so many people have that and maybe they weren’t molested. Maybe there was other situations and maybe it was smaller T trauma than big T trauma. But just to make that connection, I mean I find that
Traditional therapists don’t even make that condition. You know, the people who were trained in this for years and years and years. Okay.
kim (06:58.008)
Well, she is trained, by the way. She was a therapist, which o automatically made me think she should be smarter than me.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (07:04.931)
Well, that that makes even more sense. Yeah. But I just think for everyone listening, we all have some kind of story, whether it’s trauma or not. And I just think it’s so important to understand that connection because so many of us are, you know, have something. I know for me personally, it wasn’t so much food. Well,
kim (07:08.664)
Yeah.
kim (07:15.606)
Mm.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (07:29.005)
I think food scarcity could be part of that too. I mean it for me, and I think this is pretty typical, but and I think a lot of people have that, it was that clean plate society. So when I was little, we had to clean our plates. And I do find myself now, again, I eat really well, like this is what I do, right? And there is a little bit of overeating, like, well, I’m not that hungry, but it’s so good. And like I should finish it. I’d hate to leave it. You know, there’s children starving in Africa, right? There’s that.
kim (07:53.443)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (07:55.138)
And then the other piece that I find, and I think a lot of people listening can relate, is because so many people with Hashimoto’s do better gluten-free. Now, again, it’s not for every person, but generally speaking, right? In addition to potentially having celiac, also just having the DQ2 and DC8. And there’s so many other immune things, right? That it can lower inflammation. So people go gluten-free. And for some people, like for myself now, I don’t think about it. Like, and I always tell people, I think more as like, not that, no.
Poor me, I can’t eat gluten. It’s like I just don’t eat gluten. Like it’s not even a thought. Like I’m not even ever tempted because I just don’t eat it. It’s this poison from my body. And with that, and I think people feel that way, but there’s a lot of people who feel like, my gosh, I’m missing out. And especially if it’s a newer thing. Cause I remember when I first started, I went gluten-free in 2008 and it was not as cool as it is now. And Whole Foods was just like starting out, at least in New York City. Like there wasn’t as many options. And so
kim (08:30.979)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (08:52.745)
I remember then feeling like, well, I’m gonna go out. I don’t know what they’re going to have. So let me fill up. And I would overfill myself just knowing that I may not have something to eat. And I think that even now that gluten-free is easier, a lot of people still feel that. I’m curious your thoughts and all that.
kim (09:10.904)
Take I’m taking notes because you’ve said so many things that I want to touch upon. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. First, I want everyone to know that is listening, the human experience. We developed between three and five emotional triggers in the first seven years of our life. And there are about 18 potential ways that we can be emotionally triggered. And every single one of us has between three and five. Even in a loving home. Maybe your home was loud. Maybe you had passive parents. It doesn’t really matter. We all have them.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (09:14.924)
Okay.
kim (09:40.611)
And then we work for the rest of our life in mastering these triggers. And we, you know, marry people, we have partners, we develop our children, our teachers, our careers, they’re all there to kind of help us deal with this. And if we go through something traumatizing, we develop another emotional trigger. Like for me, 9-11, I’m probably still not okay. October 7th, I may not still be okay about that. You know, like
COVID, we all had our own experiences and we all, it all played out differently for us, but we are still dealing with it. Right. So like we have to recognize that our rational brain really knows that food is fuel. And that the second we become emotionally triggered and we cannot predict the storm. I could get a phone call in five minutes. I could, you know, something could happen tomorrow in in a way. I could be running late for my next appointment.
I don’t know the emotional trigger, but the second I’m emotionally triggered, my body responds in under 10 seconds. It flips off my hippocampus, my pituitary, and my adrenal glands. And if in the past I ate or shopped based on the feeling that I’m having in my body, that is what my mind then directs me to do because it does it based on memory and recall. And so all the work that I spend, you know, doing with my clients or even listening to you.
I really hear it is the space between the thought and the action. You know, for every single one of us, no matter what, this is the human experience. And so really, like, what lesson can I work on now? And like, can I see it and can I not fear it? And can I embrace it and practice what you know, my skills? is one thing I wanted to say. And the other is there is a very interesting paradox that you hit on that.
You just feel well. And so being gluten-free is a non-issue. And people who are not doing that but don’t feel well, they think that’s hard. But the fact that maybe you go to the doctor less or you’re having less inflammatory markers, you don’t even notice that you don’t feel well, this is the fun part. And so it’s just the easy part.
kim (12:01.506)
That makes sense. It is a it is a major paradox that we have to kind of cross over into and say, wait, I forgot that I didn’t feel well. It’s interesting.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (12:12.439)
Yes. Uh-huh. Yeah. Absolutely. And for a lot of people, it can happen pretty quickly. And we forget pretty quickly too. I mean, sometimes I talk to clients, I’m like, like, how is your you know, ankle? And they’re like, What do you mean? I’m like, Well, your ankle was really inflamed. It was hard for you to walk. It was a month ago. Remember, it’s been so much better. I completely forgot it was an issue.
kim (12:34.915)
Okay.
Yeah, and there’s there was a study done that came out of Harvard. gosh, it was talking about dream and awake. And the the scientist said that in the morning our mind has to remember who we are. And then he went on to further say, and I think in every moment we have to remember who we are. And it’s really interesting after I heard that, I kind of practiced when I woke up in the morning watching my mind, and it does. It totally tries to remember who I am.
And it doesn’t remember like harmony and peace and joy. It like really sticks to the s the sticky stuff. And you have to remember to remember, you know?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (13:18.531)
I love that. Remember to remember. Yes. It is a task. But I mean, you know, our mind goes to everything we have to do, right? And unfortunately for so many people, they pick up their phone before they even like go to the bathroom in the morning. Right. So it’s hard to remember.
kim (13:20.886)
Yes. Yes. Yes. Worth it.
Yeah. Yeah.
kim (13:35.32)
I know. True. Yeah, I know. That’s the trick. You gotta remember to remember. Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (13:39.988)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it’s just, I think, so important for people to to know that there’s reasons for all of these things and just how much our mind and it’s just the essence of us, like how much that has to do with it. Now, for people who have these triggers, you mentioned that, you know, when we if we eat a food and there’s a trigger that we connected, I also heard, and I don’t know if it’s the same thing or related to, you know, maybe that research, that when the first time that you try a food, if it’s
Whatever I guess emotional state that you’re in when you first tried that food tends to stick. I don’t quote me exactly, but it was something along those lines.
kim (14:18.348)
Yeah. Yeah. Think about a five year old who you take out for ice cream and they had the best time. Then they keep wanting to go for ice cream. And how do you really separate? Was it because I had the best time or was it because I liked the flavor of the ice cream? Right. And now this person may be programmed to think, I need a little pick me up. Ice cream sounds like a great idea. Right? Right. We have to remember to remember. Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (14:32.034)
Right.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (14:41.635)
Right. Right. And then the flip side of that, yeah, the flip side of that probably someone’s maybe given broccoli and maybe it doesn’t smell as good. And then maybe on top of it, the parent is like, This is good for you, you need to eat it. Or they kind of say, finish your broccoli or you can’t leave the table. And I could totally see how that can then impart this negative.
kim (15:04.578)
Yeah, I mean, even when I talk to clients who have disordered eating habits, I try and remind them that they are kind of like sponges and they picked up a lot of things that don’t necessarily belong to them. And now we need to figure out them and it they have to be in their body completely, mind and body, to really know what is theirs versus what is someone else’s. But we are magic, right? We have thirty seven trillion cells. Our body is designed to run by itself and to heal.
And so we really need to guide like really give it the space to do that.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (15:38.552)
Yeah. Yeah. Now, if someone is listening to this and they understand that they have some kind of, you know, a trigger. And again, it may not be a huge trigger, but there’s something in like some of the stories I shared and the stories you shared. Maybe they have something like that. What’s the first thing that they can do? Like, where can they start with that? Like, do they first acknowledge it? Or is it something where we actually don’t want to acknowledge it too much because we don’t want to bring some of like the trauma back? Like, what would you recommend?
kim (16:04.174)
Yeah.
No, you can’t move forward without awareness. So awareness is the key. to be mindful means to know where your mind is without judgment. So you know, let’s not put emotion behind what we are experiencing, but just become aware of it. And so the practice that I would recommend, there would be two things. Number one is I would ask you to repeat, and so we can do this practice together. So repeat, repeat after repeat after me. just simply say, Where is my body?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (16:37.591)
Where is my body?
kim (16:39.234)
And then I just want you to tap it and I want you to recognize that it’s here. So it’s here. My body is here. So say that.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (16:47.499)
It’s here. My body’s here.
kim (16:48.972)
Yeah. Okay. And then you’re gonna say, Where is my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (16:54.125)
Where is my mind?
kim (16:54.53)
And and now I actually need you to go and find it.
kim (17:02.058)
What what did you come up with when you asked yourself, Where is my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (17:08.693)
It actually felt kind of scattered. Like whereas my body felt like here in the tapping. And then the minute I said mine, I’m like aware. I I don’t know. It was like this
kim (17:11.288)
Perfect. Perfect.
kim (17:16.79)
Yeah, of course, of course. Cause yes. So we’re gonna do it again. Okay. So you say, Where is my body?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (17:21.527)
Okay. Where is my body? It’s here.
kim (17:25.367)
It’s here.
Where is my mind? Take a deep breath. Where is my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (17:34.231)
Where is my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (17:38.349)
So that felt a lot less scattered. And it definitely felt like my body was like it felt grounded here and my mind felt like here. Like not necessarily even in my head, but it just sort of felt like light and like above.
kim (17:46.678)
Mm-hmm.
kim (17:51.801)
Yeah. Okay, we’re gonna do it again. if you’re if you’re listening to this and you’re not watching this, what you just did was put your hands around your head. This is amazing. We’re gonna put a pin in that and come back to it. So we’re gonna say it again. Where is my body?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:10.817)
Where’s my body? It’s here.
kim (18:13.432)
Here. Take a deep breath.
kim (18:19.97)
Where is my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:21.943)
Where is my mind?
kim (18:28.782)
I’m gonna guess it’s still not here. So we’re gonna do it again. Where is my body? You’re doing it perfectly, by the way. So we’re gonna we’re gonna do it again. Where is my body?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:31.415)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:35.683)
Okay. Okay. Where is my body?
It’s here.
kim (18:44.192)
It’s right here. It’s in this room. It’s in this chair. It’s right here.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:47.629)
Yep. It’s it’s rest right here in this chair.
kim (18:51.586)
Yeah. Now take a deep breath and you’re gonna say, where is my mind? And then go look for it.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:58.945)
Where’s my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (19:04.119)
So I feel like it’s also here.
kim (19:06.914)
I didn’t see the connection, but you could be right.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (19:10.144)
Okay.
kim (19:11.51)
Yeah, there is one distinct like tell when somebody’s my when they actually go and look for it. So just show me what it looks like to go look for your mind.
kim (19:23.256)
So say, where is my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (19:24.599)
Wh where is my mind?
kim (19:27.342)
And then now actively go find your mind.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (19:40.877)
So I mean, I’m doing a body scan and I what I’m feeling is like it’s kind of everywhere, but I do feel more action in my head when I look for it.
kim (19:43.778)
Yeah.
kim (19:51.907)
Yeah. Just to be really annoying, one more time. Okay, this is this is the one. Okay. So where is my body?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (19:56.14)
Okay.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (20:00.759)
Where’s my body?
kim (20:03.03)
Right here.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (20:03.755)
It’s right here in this chair in this room, right here.
kim (20:07.5)
Yeah, take a deep breath.
kim (20:12.908)
Now with your eyes open.
kim (20:17.218)
Say where is my mind?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (20:18.541)
Where is my mind?
kim (20:20.59)
Now actively go find it.
Find your mind.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (20:27.189)
I mean I feel like I’m doing this like I’m chasing myself. Okay. I feel like I’m failing this test.
kim (20:31.2)
Yeah. So two things are happening. Two things are happening. I know. Actually, I’m sure that so many people who are hearing you say this are actually appreciating it because they’re in the exact same boat. Now your mind might be here and I might have missed the tell. Okay. if you’re anxious or if you have a busy schedule or you’re thinking ahead, then your mind is there.
If you are worried about the next question you’re gonna ask me or even performing this correctly, then your mind is there. But if your mind is here in this moment,
There’s nothing, right? We’re just here. And so many times when I would think that I need to go buy something or when a client thinks that they need to eat something, it’s because their body feels a little stressed. And like an alarm being pulled in the house, the alarm goes off. Every single thought about food or shopping is an actual alarm. We have 221 food thoughts a day.
And the alarm could be pulled because your stomach is hungry. It could have been pulled because the last time you felt anxious or nervous or worried or didn’t know when you were going to eat again, you ate. And so the idea is to know where your mind is and to be able to scan your body, which you did say. And only when you can scan your body and recognize why did I even, why did my mind even leave, are you able to move on. So there’s that awareness piece.
So in real time, it looks like I know food is fuel. I could be emotionally triggered at any second. But because I have this practice of I’m gluten-free, so it wouldn’t even be a question, right? I just would only do that or I wouldn’t do it. It’s not a restricted thing. I don’t feel bad about it. I feel good about that. Right. if you are emotionally triggered, what happens in your kind of your your brain kind of leaves. Your mind starts solving the problem.
kim (22:38.158)
What am I gonna have, you know, and girls’ night for dinner? There’s no gluten-free options there, you know. How am I gonna get my plane ticket? I’m running out of time today. Like it doesn’t matter. But it’s in this moment we now begin to believe that food is scary, the enemy, it’s also fun, comfort, pleasure, entertainment. It’s actually none of those things, right? And like to prove it, if I was having a dinner with some friends, it’s not about the food I’m eating.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (22:48.728)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (22:59.511)
Yeah.
kim (23:07.084)
Right? That’s fuel. I want to love what I’m eating. But my joy, my entertainment, my pleasure, all of that is coming from the people around. And especially being able to sleep well, feel good in my body, those are the real things I’m after. Not something I will never remember I ate. And also I have to say, if you didn’t eat something, you’ll never remember you didn’t eat it.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (23:32.62)
That’s a very, very good point. And I love how you’re explaining this because I think for so many people, and I hear this from client, I mean, I see as many clients anymore, but when I used to see more clients, people will say to me, you know, if I say, Okay, let’s try to take this out just temporarily, you know, we don’t want a lot of restriction, but let’s just see how you feel. Or maybe that we did a sensitivity test and something came up, right? And time and time again, people tell me, Okay, like I know it’s healthy for me, but you don’t understand.
I’m a foodie. Like you don’t understand. And I’m like, so am I. I get it. They’re like, no, no. Like I can’t be gluten-free or I can’t this because food is my joy. And it speaks to exactly what you’re saying, like where the it’s twisted, you know, with how people think about it.
kim (24:03.384)
Yes.
kim (24:12.131)
Yeah.
kim (24:17.134)
I have so much, so much to say about this. Okay, but I do want to say the second thing that I didn’t say earlier was the fact that sorry, my phone is ringing. the second thing is I taught I teach my clients and six rules. And rule number two is to eat what you love with the caveat that the food has to love you back. And this really goes to that mucosal layer in your digestive tract and the way you think, feel, and talk about food. Because every single one of your cells is listening to you.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (24:36.587)
Mm.
kim (24:47.084)
And we can get into that in a minute. We can come back to it. But what I really want to say about the foodie thing is that we really have it wrong. We really, really have it wrong. And food is actually so boring. Now, there is not going to be one person who’s listening to this who is going to agree with me. And I just want everyone to be a little curious and to give me the opportunity to explain it, okay? I told you just a second ago that you should eat what you love.
And the food should love you back because we are in a relationship with ourselves for the rest of our life. We’re all we got. And so we want to take care of ourselves so badly. Our body is magical and heals. And when we have a food sensitivity, it’s information. It’s not an emotional problem. It is, okay, my body is reacting to this this way. I can either avoid it for a couple of days, a couple of weeks to let my body heal.
Or I can keep eating it, but I still have to let my body heal. These are just signs that your body needs a little bit of love and care. If you start smelling your food and actually producing saliva and then chewing your food longer than you think necessary, we’re actually already starting the healing process. So food is meant to be fueling us with the nutrition inside of it. And we only break it down in two ways. One is mechanical, and then one is through the peristalysis and the movement.
as it goes through your body. Your teeth are like necessary to like break down the fibers and the food. We totally miss that opportunity, meaning that steak is supposed to be chewed between 30 and 45 times per bite. We’re supposed to mix it so much with our saliva because the enzymes in there really make it better for our body to digest. If we take two or three bites and swallow because
We get so excited about the next bite that we’re forgetting about the bite in our mouth, then those whole pieces of steak that didn’t properly get broken down create an inflammatory response in your gut. And so we can fix so much just by smelling properly and by chewing our food even better, if that makes any sense. Yeah. And when I’m eating steak and I’m eating it the way I’m meant to.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (27:05.067)
It makes a ton of sense, yes.
kim (27:14.074)
Boring, which is why we can’t wait for the next bite. But people who call themselves foodies, here’s your challenge. Remove all your distractions. Be alone with your food. Spend some time with your food. Don’t do anything but eat. Do it when you’re hungry. Chew your food well. Tell me how much you love that food.
Nobody wants to do that.
Because it’s boring.
kim (27:50.008)
But we should eat what we love for sure. I should like what I’m putting in my mouth.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (27:54.477)
Right. Right.
kim (27:55.714)
But it is not my source of entertainment.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (28:01.441)
And this is, I mean, I almost want you to say it again and louder for the people in the back, that food is not a source of entertainment because it just is for so many people. but you know what I think is interesting too is that people don’t say what you say. So we talk about things, we have all of these social.
kim (28:08.066)
Ha ha ha.
kim (28:21.262)
Mm.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (28:27.693)
things or dinners and things like that and we talk about how good the food is and it’s culturally accepted, right? That food is entertainment. Like I don’t think that people are out there saying food is not your entertainment. I mean again here and there, but it’s
kim (28:37.142)
Yeah.
I’m trying. I’m trying.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (28:43.949)
But I think what I’m trying to say is that the just understanding that phrase, you know, how you said that awareness is the first step to anything, right? And I think for I mean, I assuming, I don’t want to say I assume, but my guess is that for a lot of people listening, it’s going to be the first time that they’ve heard this, or at least said in this way. And so I’m excited about just the idea that people are hearing it for the first time. They may not like it.
kim (28:52.194)
Yeah.
kim (29:05.003)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (29:12.695)
But they heard it and then let it just like mull in the back of your mind for a little bit. I mean, even for me, and like I know a lot of this stuff, and yet like I still have my own challenges. They’re not huge challenges, but there’s little things. And so, like, it’s good for me to hear that again and again because sometimes, oftentimes, there’s so many things we know, but this is the reason why we have coaching and why coaches have coaches and all that. Cause like we need someone in our ear reminding us of the things that we know and yet maybe just
kim (29:18.093)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (29:41.793)
Need to know again or don’t follow through on.
kim (29:44.143)
A hundred, a hundred percent. And I actually am I’m loving your hand motions because all I’m thinking about is like you are literally driving it into your subconscious. So your conscious mind is like really like I’m hearing it and I’m gonna be the one who’s gonna make that true or not. But you have to kind of say to your subconscious, this is this is the new belief and subconscious, I believe it. Now get it get in line. Like now make all everything happen because of what I’m saying. Like that’s how we change.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (30:14.337)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, like, get in there, get in there. Maybe we’ll do it from both sides, right? Yeah. On the path of this, I want to talk a little bit about safety, just because I think that’s a a big part in kind of the next step here. And I I talk to my community all the time about safety. And our body can’t really do anything unless it feels safe. And oftentimes what feels safe.
kim (30:14.604)
And I love how you’re like, I see you driving it in.
kim (30:23.832)
That’s actually funny.
kim (30:32.59)
Hm
Inna Topiler CNS MS (30:44.237)
Can be familiar, right? Not necessarily always what’s good. I mean, there’s a lot of things when it comes to that. but even just like that forcing, restricting, like there could be safety in that, or it could be the other way around. So and the fear, right? That’s another big thing. because you know, even just going back to gluten-free, people are told, well, if you don’t go gluten-free, your thyroid antibodies will not come down and then your thyroid will get destroyed. And by driving fear, you know, people may then take out the food, but at what cost? So
Talk to us a little bit about that and the safety and how we like create it really.
kim (31:12.909)
Yeah.
kim (31:19.374)
I mean, well you’re you’re saying a thousand things, so I how do I narrow it down? Yeah, I mean you’re you’re basically talking about nervous system regulation. And so again I’m gonna go back to rule number two. Eat what you love, make sure the food loves you back. There’s a quote that it’s in my book, but it’s from Perks of Being a Wallflower that
says we accept the love we think we deserve. And I would say this is, you know, from outside sources and this is also from ourself. And being in a relationship with yourself, you can talk about, you know, taking food out or restricting food or experimenting. But if it feels contracting or restricting, right, you’re competing with your body.
And this is dangerous because your body’s job is to keep you safe. And it kind of wants you to trust it in a sense, right? And if we are, let’s say, restricting calories or restricting food, your body’s gonna throw a temper tantrum. And that stress is actually very unhealthy for you. So stress comes from fear, worry, and pain.
And it could be I’m worried about what I’m gonna eat, I’m afraid of that person walking towards me, I’m hungry, I’m full, my ankle hurts. And your body can’t tell the difference between any one of those types of three stresses and responds exactly the same way. And for people who want to lose weight but they’re stressed, their body’s not gonna let them lose weight, right? They’re fighting a war. So their body is holding on. So it
When you talk about safety, I mean there’s just like so much to say, but the reality is, are you safe in this moment? And are you thinking about a moment ahead of you or behind you? Are you here? And in this moment, are you safe? And there’s been lots of times in my life where I’m not, right? I told you about my experience when I was 12. I didn’t tell you about hiding in the stairwell and running away from my doctors.
kim (33:42.019)
I didn’t tell you about the pain, you know. I didn’t tell you about that, those moments, the surgery when they almost did the wrong surgery because whatever, they marked the wrong spot on my body. I you know, right? Like these are emotional triggers that are that are there. But also we can find gratitude for those moments. And if my mind is thinking about that, how can I be safe in this moment?
And so really the practice is understanding what your mind is doing and coming back to your body in love. Yeah. And gratitude, right? So every time you take a deep breath, you actually produce a chemical called nitric oxide. And it’s like eating fruits and vegetables. And what that nitric oxide does is it actually heals the lining of your epithelial carpet.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (34:15.787)
And where your mind is.
kim (34:37.656)
So it makes forever chemicals, noxious chemicals, things that are harmful to you, not stick to yourselves. So every time that you take a deep breath, you are signaling to your body that you’re safe. And it just kind of blooms health. And so if you can’t remember to find your mind, then maybe put in like a few alarms in your phone, like, I’m gonna take some deep breaths throughout my day. And when you take those deep breaths,
Imagine your 37 trillion cells inhaling. Don’t just inhale from your lungs. Like really inhale from all your cells. And then at the same time, tell your mind and your body that you are safe because I believe in this moment you are.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (35:23.777)
Yeah. And that’s really, really important. I’m so glad you’re saying that because we all have so many experiences like you shared with not being safe, not feeling safe. And we’re not there right now. But we go there and we’re not.
kim (35:38.476)
Yeah, and all timelines all timelines are occurring in this timeline. And so we have to really be able to separate.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (35:49.22)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, one of the things you also talk about is just this goal and this idea of really becoming your own like authority on your own being, right? And really trusting yourself. So is that similar to what you were saying about finding your mind, or is there another piece to that? Because we outsource so much of what we think and feel and what’s really going on. So talk to us more about that.
kim (36:19.66)
Yeah. I mean you kind of hit on it in a few different of your own little moments, right? But if we are dealing with the space between the thought and the action, imagine getting on a highway and it’s bumper to bumper cars. You can’t really get another car on the highway. And so we want to be able to have new thoughts coming in that are more powerful and stronger than the ones that may have already existed. We have about 10 thought loops every single day.
We have about 97% the same thoughts as we had the day before. We are about 47% the way at whatever we did yesterday, we do it again today. And so we have to be so intentional about today and how we want to be and remembering who we want to be and remembering those actions, right? Except in a heavy traffic, it’s really hard to get new thoughts in. So first you’re aware that there’s you know heavy traffic, and then
I think it’s really important for you to be aware of I’m having this thought that I feel scarcity or lack when I don’t eat gluten. And then the challenge is because we want to have new cars in the highway, we want to put new thoughts in, right? Is that true? Or do you actually feel scarcity in being sick and not feeling well? Are you missing out on things because the way your body is feeling? What’s the truth, right? Challenge it.
And then really challenge yourself to say, I wonder what would happen if I experimented for three days. How I would feel and what’s mine and what’s theirs. Because we absorb everything. This is why you hear all the time, don’t turn on the news before you go to bed, you know, be careful who you’re having conversations with, because you’re internalizing all of their stuff.
Yeah. I hope I answered your question.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (38:13.515)
Absolutely. And I think especially for people who with autoimmunity and thyroid issues, I mean, I think anyone could be more empathic, but I just find people with Hashimoto’s just, they’re like the yellow canary, right? And so, I mean, I’m like that too. So I think even more so what we internalize. And I love what you’re saying too, like asking yourself, is it mine or is it someone else’s? Because it’s not a question that people think about asking. Or even saying, is it my now or is it my
eight year olds or my twelve year old, right? Yeah.
kim (38:43.724)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it’s really interesting how many times I’ve heard people say, It’s so hard to lose weight when you’re older or you know, like all the things that we’re hearing, is that true? Or was that true for one person and that, you know, got spread and then that become came everyone’s way of being? Like, I don’t know. I don’t know. So I would be careful with everything.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (39:03.65)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (39:07.777)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and I think it’s just being in the curiosity, right? Like it’s like the I don’t know. And, you know, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how we look at it, but with social media, I mean, there’s so much information that we can get now that we couldn’t 10 years ago. And there’s also so many opinions that we now see as fact. But it’s like, is that really true?
kim (39:13.144)
Yes.
kim (39:33.549)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the more that you can practice finding your mind and bringing it back into this moment. And the reason why it’s so important is because it’s really hard to do and we don’t practice it. And the problem with that is it weakens the muscle. And so basically you’re just going to the gym, you’re going to do 10 reps. You’re going to bring your mind back, and then maybe it’s just going to become the natural essence of who you are because you’ve practiced it, right? And when you don’t practice it,
Then you can’t really feel what is yours. And the thing is, is we all know when we have to pee. And we don’t even know where our bladders are. And that is amazing. And that brings me back to the point where you were kind of like, my mind is over here. And it wasn’t small and it wasn’t in, you know, in your brain. It was out here. And you know, there’s so many scientists that ask where is where’s your subconscious? Like, where is it actually?
And the reality is it is out here. It’s in the cloud. And we can download new information at any time. But how amazing to not know where our bladder is and to know exactly where it is.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (40:46.071)
Yeah. I love that analogy. I think so many people have trouble with being in the present moment. And it’s very understandable why, just in the society that we live in and what’s happening. And so, I mean, I think it’s just such a good reminder for them. For those who maybe have trouble with this, because I think a lot of people will, and even with the exercise, just with what you and I went through, and I was like, it’s here, it’s here. And like I felt it here, but it was still like there. And
I am sure I’m not alone. Is there a sensation that is typically accompanied? And I know it’s gonna be different, different people, but how do you experience it? I’m just curious because sometimes I think if people have trouble, not that we want to put things in their head, but hearing other people’s experiences might help them to bring it in for themselves.
kim (41:37.644)
Yeah, I’m gonna let’s try this for one second and then I’ll come back to that. Close your eyes for for a second, and I just want you to focus on your heart. Just focus on your heart. Just spend some time focusing in gratitude on the energy in your heart.
kim (42:01.656)
Now notice everything you feel or don’t feel.
kim (42:09.422)
And then open your eyes. What was that like for you?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (42:14.765)
Well, I was very much centered here. I felt my heartbeat. So I felt like the actual thumping. I heard it, you know, with my ears. And because I was only focused here, I didn’t necessarily feel like sometimes I’ll sit and I’ll feel like my feet on the floor, but like I wasn’t even focused on that. Like I just felt like I felt and I heard and I experienced sensation just like right in this like chest area.
kim (42:41.976)
Yeah. What didn’t you feel?
Inna Topiler CNS MS (42:46.804)
what didn’t I feel? yeah, I mean everything else, I don’t know, right?
kim (42:47.852)
everything else. You didn’t feel anything else. So that took a split second of you getting coherent with your heart and that removed everything.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (42:54.2)
Yes.
kim (43:00.974)
And that feeling is to me a little bit of bliss, calm.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:08.364)
sure.
kim (43:09.622)
Yeah, that’s presence.
To me and available to us at any time. We just have to remember. Doesn’t cost any money. Doesn’t cost any money. Yeah. And there is a ton of research that the more you think about your heart, the healthier your heart is. And if you can also think about your brain, the way that you just did your heart, and you put your brain and your heart in the same energy, there’s a lot of research that shows that brain heart coherence improves the heart.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:14.595)
Yeah. Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:20.343)
And doesn’t cost any money, which is also nice.
kim (43:42.744)
You know, the health of our brain. All we have to do is think about it.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:44.589)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:47.906)
Right. And I wonder if that can work for thyroid too. Right. For everyone listening. And and not in a way like, my gosh, my thyroid, but in like this gratitude of this amazingly small little gland that literally like controls our whole body. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
kim (43:51.928)
Hundred
kim (43:59.481)
Yes.
Yeah, it’s like this is how you process energy. Yeah, I love that. Yes. And I bet you could even go from your heart to your brain to your thyroid.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (44:12.843)
Yeah. Yeah. Or just yeah, just even like scanning up down. I love that. I love that. Kim, this has been so helpful. And I know that everyone listening is gonna get they’re gonna have so many gems from that. you know, for some it might be a little bit of a reminder, for some it’d be completely new. But as we were saying, sometimes you need to hear something again and again to like really embody it and and really understand it. So thank you so much.
kim (44:17.763)
Yeah.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (44:40.033)
I know that people are going to want to find out more about this. So for those who want to learn more, where can they find you? Where can they follow you? How can they contact you? What else do you have going on? Because this is such needed information.
kim (44:53.294)
Thank you. This was so fun. I am everywhere at Kim Shapira Method.com or Kim Shapira Method. like everywhere. And I have so much going on. So I you can of course read my book. I do a free book club a few times a year. It just ended. It was so much fun. I like to go through my book with everybody because there’s so many sticky parts for so many people that I like to really work through it. if you are finding that there are sticky parts, I have a group that I meet on the first and
third Wednesday of every month that we kind of it’s called shifting patterns and we kind of just work through whatever you need to shift. I have a gut guide that is really impactful through my six rules that is really not based on food, but on healing the lining, both interior and exterior exterior, to lower inflammatory markers. And I have so many. I have a if you want to do a private practice on your own, I have a masterclass experience called Never Diet Again. And
really I love it. It’s four and a half hours and that’s available too.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (45:57.272)
That all sounds amazing. We’re gonna put everything in the show notes, all of the links and all the things because I know that my listeners are going to want to dive into that a little bit more. it’s so, so important. So thank you so much for being here and for sharing all your wisdom and for all of your wonderful analogies and you know, the little gems and little bomb gels, as I say, that you dropped for us. So thank you, thank you so much.
kim (46:10.862)
Thank you.
kim (46:22.072)
Thank you. I appreciate it. It was so fun.
Inna Topiler CNS MS (46:27.82)
Okay.
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