When you have Hashimoto’s, the conversation about root causes usually centers on the immune system, along with food triggers, toxins, infections, stress, and how well your liver is handling detox. All of those deserve attention. One system that touches every one of them almost never comes up, though, and it runs right past your thyroid. Your lymphatic system is the network that clears cellular waste and moves immune cells through your body, and when it slows down, your thyroid is one of the first places to feel it.

John Ossipinsky, known as LymphMan, is a Certified Lymphedema Therapist who came to this work after serving as a US Army medic and a New York City firefighter. He has been writing about the link between lymphatic flow, acidity, and chronic illness since 2003. His central idea is a hopeful one. The lymphatic system is something you can influence every day through your posture, your breath, your water intake, and a few simple movements that take only seconds.

Your Thyroid Sits at the End of the Lymphatic Line

The lymphatic system is a network of tiny vessels and hundreds of lymph nodes that every one of us has, yet most people never give it a thought. All of that fluid eventually drains toward one point, the terminus, where the major lymph vessels sit just behind the collarbone at the base of the neck. John describes the main vessel there as roughly the size of a strand of angel hair pasta, and it has to handle the waste and fluid coming from thousands of smaller vessels.

Your thyroid is the first organ sitting next to that drain. When your shoulders get tight or you slouch over a computer for hours, you put pressure on that small vessel and slow the flow. Because the thyroid is so close, it tends to feel the backup first. Over time it can fill with its own cellular waste and fats, which John believes is one of the factors that limits how well it functions. It is a slow process, which is why it can take years, sometimes decades, before the effects show up as symptoms.

Why Cellular Health Depends on Lymph Flow

Many people with thyroid issues already know the connection between the thyroid and the liver, and that the liver plays a big role in detox. The lymphatic system cleans in a different way. Every organ has lymph vessels around it and running inside it, and when those internal vessels cannot clear waste, the organ starts filling up with its own debris. Even the liver, low in the right side of your abdomen, depends on lymph draining all the way up to those vessels at the base of the neck.

That clearing happens around every cell in your body, in the fluid environment each cell lives in. Inna explains why this is so relevant for thyroid health. Thyroid hormones travel through the bloodstream bound to proteins, a bit like riding on a bus, and only once they come off as free hormones can they enter the cell and do their job. Lab work measures TSH, T4, and T3 in the blood, but if the cell membrane is not working well, the hormone may not get in or be used properly. Inna sees the same pattern with insulin resistance, where cutting carbs alone does not fix a cell that has been damaged by high insulin.

John adds the piece about acidity. When tissues become acidic, cells constrict, and the channels that let in oxygen, water, insulin, and thyroid hormone stop working as well. That waste filled, acidic environment, crowded with senescent cells that are no longer viable, keeps the mitochondria from getting the nutrients they need. As lymph flow improves, the environment around the cell changes, and the cell has a better chance to function.

Signs Your Lymphatic System Is Backed Up

There is no single lab test for lymphatic dysfunction. Imaging over the last ten to fifteen years has allowed researchers to watch lymph move through the body, but for most people the clues come from how they feel. Swelling, puffiness, bloating, skin tags, a feeling of fullness or tightness in the neck and throat, and general tightness in the body are all common signs. After working with John, many people tell him they can suddenly swallow more easily, which he attributes to less congestion around the thyroid and throat.

Tension in the neck and shoulders is one of the biggest signals. Inna notices she shrugs her shoulders toward her ears when she is cold, uncomfortable, or even excited, and most people would just call that holding stress in their shoulders. John points out that good stress tightens the body too. A developer he worked with told him that closing a big deal shut down his body the same way bad news did. In 2023, the National Institutes of Health acknowledged that lymphatic dysfunction can show up in many different systems and conditions, which supports what John has been teaching for two decades.

A goiter can be part of this picture as well. Conventionally, an enlarged thyroid is linked to TSH staying elevated for a long time, often when hypothyroidism is undertreated. John has also seen goiters tied to lymph stagnation. In his experience, softer, more fluid swellings can go down quickly once lymph starts moving, while denser ones take much longer. Changing cells takes weeks, months, and for some people a year of consistent habits, and consistency counts far more than perfection.

Brain Fog and the Brain’s Overnight Cleanup

Brain fog is one of the most common symptoms with Hashimoto’s, and it often gets worse alongside the low estrogen of perimenopause and menopause. John connects it to acidity in the brain, citing 2024 research linking brain acidity to depression, headaches, migraines, seizures, mood changes, and brain fog. For a long time, the lymphatic system was dismissed in conversations about anxiety, depression, or cognition because no lymph vessels had been found in the brain. That changed in 2015, when researchers identified lymphatic vessels in the meninges, the membranes surrounding the brain.

Much of the brain’s cleanup happens while you sleep, and that waste has to drain out through the lymphatic system. If the vessels at the base of the neck are congested, pressure can back up and the brain does not clear as well overnight. This is one reason John is such a fan of opening up the lymphatic system right before bed.

Why You May Feel Worse Before You Feel Better

One of the most important things to understand before starting any lymphatic work is that activating the system makes you temporarily more toxic. John estimates that around 500 million cells die in the body on an average day, more if you are on antibiotics or dealing with serious health issues. A small portion of that waste gets trapped in the thyroid, bones, brain, and other tissues. When you get lymph moving, that trapped waste is pulled back into circulation through the subclavian vein and has to be cleared.

This is why so many people feel great right after a massage or lymphatic drainage session and then wake up exhausted the next day, sometimes swearing they will never do it again. John’s advice is to go gently. Start by hydrating, cleaning up your diet, and adding light exercise for a while to calm some of the inflammation first. When you begin drainage, work on your neck, then wait a day or two and see how you feel before doing more. Some temporary puffiness or a few days of feeling off are normal as the waste moves through, and how long it lasts depends on how congested your system was to begin with.

Hydration Keeps the River Moving

Lymph fluid is over 96 percent water, and the fluid around your brain is even higher. Even mild dehydration can turn the lymphatic system into something like a dry riverbed where nothing flows well. John cites research suggesting women need about 2.7 liters of water a day and men about 3.5, and he believes people working through a health challenge may do better closer to a gallon.

How you drink counts as much as how much. Spacing water through the day avoids changing your body’s chemistry all at once, and taking real drinks rather than tiny sips actually gets fluid to your tissues. John also encourages parents to pay attention to how many ounces their children drink, since so many health issues begin with poor hydration and nutrition early in life.

Breathing and Posture

Unlike your circulatory system, the lymphatic system has no heart to pump it. It moves through bending, movement, and breathing, and the superficial lymphatic system just under your skin relies on breathing most of all. A deep breath creates intrathoracic pressure that pushes lymph upward toward those major vessels in the neck.

John recommends sitting down two or three times a day, closing your eyes, checking your posture, and taking 10 to 20 deep breaths. If you are very unwell, start with 10, since the effect is stronger than people expect. He likes breathing in through the nose and exhaling with a little more force than blowing out a candle. Many people feel a wave move through the body when they do this. If you feel nothing at first, it may simply mean your system needs more time to get moving.

Posture works hand in hand with breathing. Even a slight forward head position or rounded shoulders puts pressure on the vessels behind the collarbone. Lifting your chest, bringing your shoulders back, and keeping your head up opens that area right away, and John felt flow down into his legs just from straightening up during the conversation. With so many people spending eight to ten hours a day in front of a screen, small posture resets throughout the day add up.

The LymphMan Shoulder Shuffle

Rolling your shoulders forward and back mostly moves around the main lymph vessel without stretching it. John developed the LymphMan Shoulder Shuffle to move those vessels up and down instead. Sit with good posture and your hands resting on your lap. Lift one shoulder while lowering the other, then switch, alternating back and forth. If you have no pain, you can do it quickly. If you have neck pain, past neck surgery, or hardware in your neck, check with your doctor first and then do it slowly and gently.

Inna tried it during the episode and found that after barely a minute, sitting up straight felt easier, almost as if her muscles and fascia had woken up. John suggests doing it numerous times a day, including before a walk so your lymph is already open when you start moving. In the morning, sitting on the edge of the bed and doing 20 shoulder shuffles with some overhead stretching can help with the stiffness many people wake up with. At night, he spends about five minutes on a quick drainage routine before bed and falls asleep feeling the flow through his body. Lymphatic drainage massages are wonderful, but they are expensive and hard to do often, and simple tools you can use on your own put the control in your hands.

Bloating, IBS, and the Lymph Vessels in Your Gut

Digestive issues are very common with thyroid conditions. Hypothyroidism can slow the bowels, and the inflammation that follows can contribute to leaky gut and IBS symptoms. John lived with severe IBS for around thirty years and owned massage therapy clinics where lymphatic work was being done, yet it was only when he combined diet changes with draining himself that his IBS resolved, within about three weeks. He also noticed his head felt clearer in that same window.

He sees leaky gut through a lymphatic lens. The intestines depend on lymph vessels to clear dead cell material, bacteria, and waste, and a few major vessels drain the entire lower body. When slouching crimps those vessels or the neck is congested, flow out of the intestines slows. John is careful to say he does not cure disease. What he teaches is how to reduce inflammation, and as inflammation comes down throughout the body, symptoms often ease.

For the abdomen, place one hand above your navel and one below, and make a gentle scooping motion upward. This helps drain the pelvis, legs, and lower abdomen. A simple backward stretch, either over an exercise ball or just tipping your head back and opening your chest, can also get things moving quickly. John likes to think in terms of creating a tsunami through the whole body, combining a few days of better eating, breathing, movement, and support like magnesium or digestive enzymes so the wave picks up more waste. He also points to research showing that lymph nodes fill with fat as we age, which may help explain why immune function tends to weaken over time.

Rebounding Without Overdoing It

Rebounding is one of the most popular ways people try to support their lymph, and bouncing does help, since each bounce moves fluid upward and the valves in the vessels hold it there. John has seen it overdone, though. Years ago, several people came to him after hour long rebounding classes because they were swelling more than ever. They had moved so much waste so quickly that their system shut down for a few days. He keeps his own sessions short, often just two or three minutes and no more than 10 to 20.

If you do not have a rebounder, bouncing gently on an exercise ball works too. Inna teaches a simple option of rising up onto your toes and lowering back down, as long as you have no leg injuries, and John recommends wearing well padded sneakers or standing on a carpet so your heels are not banging on a hard floor. However you do it, the goal is at least fifteen minutes of movement a day.

Magnesium, Calcium, and a Body That Can Relax

Magnesium is the one supplement John most wants people to think about. Acidity makes the body constrict, and magnesium is involved in a huge number of chemical reactions, including how well many other supplements work. He points to research suggesting a target of around 550 milligrams a day, and notes that only about 30 to 40 percent of supplemental magnesium is absorbed. He splits his dose between morning and night and takes magnesium bisglycinate, which he likes because glycine has its own benefits for healthy aging. As always, check with your healthcare practitioner before changing your supplements.

Inna’s favorite form is also glycinate. Magnesium citrate works but draws water into the bowel, which can be a problem if you already tend toward loose stools. John adds that loose stools are the main sign you have taken more than you need, and the fix is to back off a bit.

Balance with calcium is a big piece of this. Many people are taught a two to one ratio of calcium to magnesium, but Inna finds that most people need at least one to one, and often more magnesium than calcium. Blood levels of magnesium are not a reliable guide because the body compensates to keep them stable, so she prefers hair tissue mineral analysis, which shows the calcium to magnesium ratio in your tissues. Some people show more calcium than magnesium even when they take no calcium at all. That imbalance is constricting to the whole body and can even contribute to calcification that causes overactive bladder type symptoms. John sees calcification as a sign of waste the lymphatic system has not been able to clear, which brings everything back to keeping that system flowing.

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FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Inna Topiler CNS MS (00:01.794)

John Ostabinsky, it is so excited to connect with you. Thank you so much for being here and welcome to Thyroid Mystery Solved, Hashimoto’s and Hypothyroidism Revealed.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (00:12.31)

I’m glad to be here. We’ve got lot of information about the lymphatic system that’ll sort of tie into our thyroid issues.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (00:19.102)

Yeah, well, and that’s the thing. When it comes to thyroid, we know that so much of especially hypothyroidism is often caused by the immune response, Hashimoto’s. You know, 85 to 90 percent of hypothyroid cases are due to Hashimoto. Some people realize that, some people do not. So, you know, we hear a lot where people get diagnosed with hypothyroidism and then 20 years later they find out they have Hashimoto’s, but that’s typically that underlying root. And so when we look at that,

We very often look at, okay, well, what else is going on in the body, right? And so we look at different triggers and toxins and stressors and infections and foods that are all very, very important. And when we look at all of those things, there is one other thing, system that I don’t think is talked about nearly enough, that’s really kind of under the surface, but very much affects all of these things, and that’s the lymphatic system.

So tell us why is there such a relationship between what’s going on in the lymphatic system and what’s going on in our thyroid and and really our immune system with Hashimoto’s?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (01:30.062)

Yeah, let’s just talk a little bit about the the lymphatic system. It’s a tiny network of vessels and nodes that every single one of us has, but most people never think about it. And that becomes a problem. We never think about it. And it’s a system that’s meant to clean us. It has to remove cellular waste, it has to move around our immune cells and our thyroid, our major lymph vessels are right under our clavicle.

So that’s just one little vessel about the size of an angel hair pasta that has to handle the waste and fluid from thousands of lymph vessels and hundreds of lymph nodes. And when we become tight in our shoulders, we slouch a little bit. A lot of people slouch in front of computers all the time. We actually can limit lymph flow. It’s like putting pressure on this little vessel and it doesn’t flow as well. And since the thyroid is the first

organ right next to the major lymph vessels by the terminus, the end of the lymph system, it gets affected first and it’s basically becoming filled with cellular waste, its own cellular waste and fats, and that’s what limits its function. And we really don’t think about that.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (02:37.442)

Nobody thinks about that. There’s a big correlation with thyroid and liver, right? We know that the thyroid governs the liver and we know that the liver does a lot of detox, but it’s different. Can you talk a little bit about the differences with how the liver cleans and the lymphatic system cleans? Because it’s a completely different pathway. And I don’t think people realize that.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (02:59.907)

Well, I I feel the any any organ has lymphatic vessels outside the organ, right? And then it has it inside the organ. So when the lymph vessels can’t clean inside an organ, that organ starts to fill up with its own cellular waste. And that’s what really limits how it’s functioning. So even though the liver is very important, it really depends on these vessels right here. That’s what we have to correlate. That even though we’re talking about the liver down in our right abdomen.

It has to flow up to the major lymph vessels. And once that becomes impeded, then waste just start slowly building up. And that’s why it takes years and sometimes decades for us to feel these things happen to us. It’s slowly degrading the health of the organ or or the tissue, wherever it may be, because every cell, every

Thing is made up of cells in your body. Your organs, your bones, and your cells are dependent on your lymphatic system. It’s what must clean what they call the inner myelu, the the the workings, you know, the what the cell lives in. And that’s why the lymph system becomes so powerful, because if we can get our cells working, then our overall health starts to improve.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (04:11.98)

Yeah. And we talk so much about cellular health when it comes to thyroid, in the sense of that when we have our thyroid hormones, we have our total hormones that are going to be bound to proteins. I always tell people it’s like think of them as going on a bus or a truck and they drive around to the cells, at which point they come off of their binding protein and they become free hormones. And that is when they can enter the cell. And we want to see hormones.

I mean we can’t measure in the cell, but the ideal, even though we’re measuring in serum, is we want to see what’s actually happening in the cell and if the hormones are getting in. And we focus, of course, on our hormone levels, our TSH level, our T4 or T3. But if the cell’s membrane is not working appropriately and those hormones can’t get in, that’s a problem. And if the cells can’t properly use the thyroid hormone, that’s a problem. So

I love that you’re talking about fixing the cell. I mean, it’s very similar with insulin resistance too. People talk about, okay, I’ll just lower sugar, I eat less carbs. But if the cell is actually damaged because of high insulin, it’s not going to accept it properly. And so that cellular health is so important. And again, I don’t think people connect the lymphatic system with cellular health. So I love that you’re making that connection.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (05:30.264)

No and and the

Big part is that I wrote about in 2003, I published An undetected Acid Alpha Line Imbalance. It’s a book that explains that when we become acidic in our body and we spend two billion dollars a year just in the US alone on products for acid and things like proton pump inhibitors, but we don’t think about acid other than just being a digestive issue. But when we become acidic in our body, your cells constrict a little bit. That’s the tightness we feel in our body. It’s not just, my muscles are tight, it’s it’s acidity in your tissue.

And when we become acidic, things don’t function. The cell can’t, the channels inside the cells, they have channels for oxygen, water, thyroid.

they can’t function as well, even for insulin. So when we get the lymphatic system going, it starts to change the environment around the cell, which makes the cell healthier. Because when the environment around the cell is full of acidity and waste and senescent cells, which are cells that are just no longer viable, then the cells, the mitochondria, which is the powerhouse of the cell, can’t get that nutrients that it needs, and then the cell starts getting sick because it can’t function.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (06:38.966)

We have a lot of different tests that we can test for thyroid and adrenals and different things. But how would one person, how would one know if their lymphatic system isn’t functioning properly? Because there’s not a single test, is there?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (06:53.361)

No, there aren’t. There aren’t. and actually the the lymphatic system is just be last 10-15 years, they before that, they never thought about it for anything other than cancer or swelling. And in the last 10-15 years, they’ve come out with a lot of imaging where we can see lymph flow through the body and how how it affects us. So it really is just the idea that you know you have to see it. Are you swelling? Are you getting a goiter? Are you getting a little swelling here? Are getting skin tags? it’s really something.

Something that we feel in our body? Do you feel bloated? Do you feel tighter in your body? Do you feel fuller in your neck? Get this from a lot of people, right? After I work with them, the next day they say, Wow, I can swallow a lot better. Possibly the thyroid was a little bit swollen, limiting space or maybe tightness in the throat. But because the major lymph vessels are here,

We really have to learn to open that up. And it’s really just again, there are no tests for it, unfortunately, but it’s how we feel, right? And and to me, and it’s not just me, now the National Institutes of Health has realized in 2023 that you know we have to start including the lymphatic system in all of our ideas of health and disease.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (08:08.61)

Yeah, and it’s interesting as you mentioned the symptoms, because you know, if we had a show of hands, I’d everyone listening, I would say at least half the hands will go up, probably more, right? Symptoms of, you know, some kind of swelling, some kind of bloating, some kind of tension, which often like for me, like I feel and for p those who are watching, they can see if you’re listening in audio, I’m kind of like raising my shoulders. Like I tend to when I’m cold or uncomfortable or anything, like I shrug my shoulders. Not on purpose, of course, but it’s

You know, I like I carry stuff in there. So I constantly feel tension in my neck and my shoulders. you know, and we just think of it okay, like I hold tension in my shoulders, but I don’t think most people would think of that as like, wait, that’s tension that actually could be something else too. Yeah. What about brain fog? Because this is a very, very big symptom that people with Hoshimoto’s and thyroid issue experience that also tends to come very often with.

low estrogen symptoms and perimenopause and menopause and you know for those who are in their you know 40s early 50s with Hashimoto’s that is a symptom that I would say almost everyone has but is there more there?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (09:18.221)

Yeah, brain fog is is a big thing, right? in 2020 four study came out said brain acidity linked to multiple neurological disorders. Depression, headaches, migraines, seizures, autism, brain fog, you know, really it’s everything, even our moods. So when our lymphatic system cannot clean our brain, then we become acidic. So it’s not just our digestive system that’s getting acidic, even your brain, and this is science. This is what they found. So

So, if we want to help the or how we think, we have to create circulation. And you’re right, you get tight in your shoulders. I’m going to show you something in a little while how to open that up immediately, and it works very quickly. But we just have to start focusing more, not just on, I have brain fog, we have to say, well, what’s limiting you know the cells in my brain to function optimally? And normally it’s the buildup of acidity, which is limiting your lymphatic system, which they found in 2015. In 2015, they found lymphatic.

Vessels in the membranes that surround the brain, the meninges. And before that, they’ve always said, don’t think of the lymph system for anxiety, depression, brain fog, because there are no lymph vessels in the brain. Well, that’s changed. So now we know there’s a direct link to the brain with the lymphatic system that we can learn how to use. And that’s what most people don’t realize about the lymphatic system: you know, you think of the lymphatic system, okay.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (10:31.192)

Wow.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (10:44.941)

They don’t know what to do with it. But we can have direct control over the system using our diet, some basic supplements like magnesium, and then you using our hands to open up these areas where the major lymph vessels are.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (10:59.04)

I love that. And I can’t wait to get into that. I wanted to ask one other question before that is you mentioned goiter, something that definitely a lot of people with thyroid may have past experience or may experience. And typically when we talk about it, especially in a more conventional way, you know, goiter is going to be an enlargement in this area. And it’s going to often be caused by prolonged levels, a prolonged length of time where TSH may be elevated. So someone

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (11:04.141)

Okay.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (11:27.618)

perhaps is not treating hypothyroidism properly or their feedback loops aren’t working. We can’t get that. But you mentioned that with lymph stagnation. Say more about that.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (11:38.178)

Yeah, again, when we’re tight in our neck and shoulders, then the thyroid is gonna back up. And it’s backing up with, you know, really dead cell material and it’s not able to function. I’ve had people who’ve had goiters that were, I mean, like a big ball here. Some are just fluid and some are solid, right? That the tumor gets very solid. The ones that are more fluid, within a day or two they they’ve actually gone down. It’s amazing. Once we start opening up the lymphatic system, but getting into the thyroid when it’s more

Dense and hard, that takes a little bit of a little bit of time. You know, nothing happens overnight. When we take a medication, it might change a little bit, right? Very quickly. But it’s really just we need to get the cells to change, and that could take weeks, months, sometimes for some people, a year, right? Of being not perfect in their life all the time, but being consistent in doing things that will promote lymph flow. Because it’s hard to be perfect. I’m not about being perfect in my life. That’s very hard. We have to learn how to clean up. That’s what most people don’t know.

how to do. We eat the same, we take the same supplements, we do the same exercise every day. And we have to learn to do more. Sometimes when we have more severe health problems, we have to do more to get the lymph system moving and get it to clean up the organs or the body in that area.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (12:54.646)

Well, I love what you’re saying that we actually have so much control because I think whenever we think about chronic conditions, naturally we think, okay, well, it is what it is, rich genetics or whatever it may be. And we just don’t think about all of the power that first our body has in its innate ability to heal, but also we have as people who govern, you know, what’s going on in our body and how we support that. So let’s get into that. So, first, if someone suspects they have a lymphatic issue and it sounds like

Everyone does to some degree, some people more than others, but it’s like one of those things that we all can improve, especially with thyroid issues. First, is there anything that we need to be aware of, meaning that, you know, if we are very toxic, you know, sometimes when we talk about gut cleansing or liver cleansing, you know, we need to open up the channels a little bit. We need to start slow because in some situations we may have detox reactions or the body may not want to or be able to let go of things.

So, you know, depending on the case, we have to kind of be more careful. Do we have to think of it in the same way when it comes to lymph?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (13:58.228)

Yes, this is very important, right? We don’t think about it. A lot of people start taking a supplement or doing exercise or go get a lymphatic drainage session and then they feel so bad afterwards, they’re like, I’m never doing that again. I’ve heard that from a lot of people. So think about your lymphatic system as a system that must clean us. And when you and really when it’s not working, and it’s not working on many people, one little vessel, it just it just gets stuck. Gravity, pollution, the foods we eat, dehydration.

everything. And when when it’s not functioning, our tissues get filled with waste, meaning your veins pick up a lot of the waste. 500 million cells, people don’t notice, 500 million cells die in your body on an average day. You’re taking antibiotics, you have some severe health problems, it’s probably gonna be lot more. A small portion of that waste gets trapped in your tissues, gets trapped in your thyroid, gets trapped in your bones, gets trapped in your brain. And when your lymphatic system, when you start to activate it, it’s gonna pull that waste out of the

tissues that’s been trapped, that’s creating inflammation, and it’s going to enter your bloodstream, goes back, goes up into your neck here, goes right back into your subclavian vein, and then gets pushed out into your heart again.

So to me, the lymph system is like a conveyor belt, even though it is going through, you know, your lymph nodes, the macrophages are cleaning it up, the white blood cells, but it really is just gonna go right back into your bloodstream. And that’s why we feel sick the next day. If you ever had a massage and the next afterwards you feel great, but the next day you feel fatigued, you feel tired. that that’s what’s happening. We’re making ourselves more toxic at first. And that has to happen. If we miss out on that, if we don’t try and clean our bodies and go through gentle

That’s one thing I promote in my courses, because I tell people do not push ahead, do not go too quickly, drain your neck, wait a day or two, see how you feel, because I’ve had many people tell me, John, I went a little too much, I drained myself a little too much, and I feel horrible today. I said, well that that’s normal. You pull the waste out of your tissues, it’ll pass, right? some people it’ll pass more slowly, some people it’ll, you know, take it’ll happen faster. But it all depends on how toxic we are. But most of us are unknowingly very, very toxic.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (16:11.246)

It probably also depends on your hydration, right? And how hydrated you are right after it and in the in the the coming like the days beforehand.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (16:19.329)

Yeah, yeah. I always tell people before you start doing anything for your lymphatic system, hydrate, change your diet, and do a little light exercise first to start to relieve some of that inflammation out first. Then when you start to activate your lymphatic system, it’s not going to be as bad. But again, it’s just waste coming out. It’s what’s creating our symptoms. so we need to get it out. But we want to do it slowly and gently.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (16:40.206)

Great. So I know everyone listening wants to know more about where they can start. So let’s just say someone, you know, feels like they might be toxic. You know, a lot of people who listen to the show already do a lot of things. They’re very proactive. So people are eating well or better, you know, that they have. They are taking supplements. They are supporting their nerves and they’re doing things. But even with all those things, right, we still have symptoms because

We just are exposed to all of the daily things and just daily life. So, you know, if we take an average person where, you know, they don’t feel like everything is perfect. They may be better than where they were five years ago, right? But there’s still stuff. And, you know, they could feel like, okay, I’m at least mildly toxic, possibly more. So where where can they start?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (17:32.91)

The simplest thing is is with exercise. light exercise. And some people can’t exercise. I deal with a lot of people who have you know a lot of swelling, a lot of pain surgeries, and they can’t do lot of exercise. But we still have to do things like deep breathing. People don’t realize how important deep breathing is. Every time you take a deep breath of and blow it out, you’re you’re pulling waste through your body, right? And when you blow it out with a big force, you can feel a wave happen through your body. so deep breathing is key.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:00.248)

Now that’s interesting because I agree with you. Most people don’t think of the breath as that. I mean, we know breath is extremely important for our nervous system and helping our lungs and all this stuff. But talk to us a little bit more about why that’s gonna have a cleansing effect and an effect on the lymphatic system specifically.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (18:20.409)

Sure. Number one, we’re we’re pulling waste through through the body. We really are ma you know, when you take a deep breath, you’re it’s it’s called intrathoracic pressure. You’re creating pressure that’s gonna move waste through your body. And basically it it’s about

Can it get up to this area? Right. A lot of times we think of different problems, your kidneys, your liver, and we concentrate on those areas, but it’s really about creating flow up to this area. And that’s why I concentrate on opening up our shoulders, which we’ll do a little bit later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The lymph man shoulder shuffle. We’re looking to do that.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (18:52.49)

excited just because I’m sitting here and I can like feel them come up a little bit. And that happens to me. Yeah. And it’s not just when I’m stressed, like when I get excited because I’m like, I’m loving this conversation. Right. And then I just feel my shoulders kind of do this.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (18:57.249)

Yeah, you can it’s immediate.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (19:06.125)

That’s a key thing. I had a scot office in Scottsdale, and I dealt with a lot of people who were big developers, and and one guy had cancer, and he’s like, John, you know, it’s it’s not even the bad things, it’s even the good things. When I do a big deal, I get excited, I feel it shut down my body. So it’s not only bad things, it’s even good things that create these hormones in our body that we have to use with our lymphatic system to get out, right? When our think about it, we have a whole secondary system that must clean us and it doesn’t function well. And our medical system, the biggest thing, does not

Think about it for any disease. And we have to thought thinking about it because it really will be found out that every disease, even from an ingrown toenail, that’s what I write in my book, from an ingrown toenail to cancer, it doesn’t matter. They all have to do with the lymphatic system being able to clear acidic waste from your body if it can’t, and then we’re gonna have problems in that specific area of your body.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (19:57.881)

So with the lymphatic breath, then you mentioned breathing in and then kind of breathing out forcefully. So what would be a good practice to start with? Is it doing that 10 times or like how often is it good? Because that makes sense what you’re explaining, that you’re building that pressure in the body. And that pressure is it’s almost like kind of the a balloon, right? That then like creates the motion of things moving.

So can you guide us a little bit more on like what’s the best way to do it or is it really individual specific? Well, that’s true too.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (20:32.545)

Yeah, no, people just don’t breathe. I mean I’ve done

lectures and I tell people we have to breathe and they still don’t breathe. So we really have to just understand that two or three times and that’s my thing. We can’t just do a big detox once in a while for your lymphatic system. it has to be because it has no heart. The lymphatic system does not have a heart. so it’s dependent on your movement, on your bending, and the superficial lymphatic system, which is right under our skin, is mostly dependent on breathing. So when people are not breathing, you start having skin problems and a lot of other things.

But just I would say two, three times a day, sit down, take a deep breath, watch your posture, because posture is key. People, we it drives me crazy. they just slouch all the time when they sit, when they stand. And once we have just a little bit of forward, that little bit, doesn’t take much, we actually are putting pressure on our lymph vessels. There you go, right? We want to just be aware. So when so whenever I see somebody

Inna Topiler CNS MS (21:30.542)

As I’m talking to you, I think I just grew like five inches sitting up straight.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (21:33.882)

Right. We’re just used to just sitting down like this. And we have to have our chest up, head back. And I when I did that, I felt flow through my legs. So most people don’t feel flow.

And we need to know am I flowing or am I not flowing? So a couple of times a day, just sit, close your eyes, watch your posture, do the lymph man shoulder shuffle, which I’m going show you in a minute, because I just did that and it made me flow again. And then take 10 to 20 deep breaths to start. If you’re really sick, start with 10, because it is powerful. It is going to start moving waste through your body. But it’s not just about waste, it’s also about bringing oxygen and nutrition to the cells because they may not be getting it as well when the lymph system is not able to complete circulation.

thing the lymphatic system has the complete circulation through your tissues and when we’re blocked here then some parts of your body or whole body are not going to be getting that complete circulation

Inna Topiler CNS MS (22:29.122)

Now with the breath, is there a a more specific way that you recommend like say breathing in through the nose for a certain count and then doing a longer exhale or does it not matter? Is it more just creating that pressure of the in and then like a more forceful out?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (22:45.689)

Yeah, there are many types of breathing, yoga breathing, fire breathing, you know, that people do hold it for four seconds, let it. To me, it’s just the idea of breathing. Take it in forcibly. I like breathing through my nose because I feel it in my head more, right? So I breathe through my nose.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (22:56.835)

Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (23:00.311)

Just blow it out. Just blow it out with a little more than blowing out a candle. And you should feel a little difference in your body when that happens. Some people don’t. That might mean they’re a little bit more toxic, a little more filled with waste, and they’re gonna take some time to sort of get them their lymph system to start flowing a little bit better. But it’s really simple things. Deep breathing, watching your posture, doing the lymph man shoulder shuffle, and you know, we’ll show you how to open up the the thyroid area too a little bit later on.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (23:08.43)

Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (23:30.274)

Time. That’s that’s great. Yeah. And you know, I agree with you, so many people just don’t breathe. So that’s really important. what about in terms of hydration? Does the amount that you hydrate affect the lymphatic system?

Mm. As you drink.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (23:50.348)

Yes, we need to have fluids in our body. your lymph system, lymph fluid is over 96% water. Your brain fluid is over ninety-eight percent water. So when we become just a little bit dehydrated, I believe I I’ve heard things saying that we become two percent, you know, dehydrated. I mean that can make a a a big impact on how your body cleans because the river the lymph becomes like a dry riverbed. It’s not gonna flow as well. So I tell people you need about women, I know a study came out saying,

Women need 2.7 liters of water a day, and men need about 3.5. Now that’s an average. If you’re having a health problem, I believe you should go almost to a gallon of water a day. And we don’t drink it all at one time. We space it out, right? We don’t want change the chemical environment. You drink a lot of water at one time, it’s going to change your chemical environment around your heart, your your your tissues. So we don’t want to just sip. We do want to gulp all water, drink it. Don’t a lot of people just take a sip to wet their lips. We want to wet your organs. So we got

drink a little bit more water at one time and you know just be aware how much water you’re drinking today especially with children you know a lot of our problems don’t start as we get older this stuff but as as young children not having water not having the nutrients so with children you have to be aware of what how much water they’re drinking not just here’s some water no how many ounces are they drinking a day that’s very clear

Inna Topiler CNS MS (25:13.772)

Yeah, absolutely. That’s so important. Now let’s talk about opening up some of the channels. So you mentioned that the main vessel is here, right at the base of our neck, but you know

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (25:23.115)

Right behind the clavicle, right behind the bone, the front of the neck, right behind it, yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (25:26.646)

Okay. Now for those that may not kind of see the picture of the lymphatic system in front of them, what’s you know, because the lymphatic system goes through your whole body. you know, and I know under the arms is a big one, you know, there’s more like with, you know, in the groin area. So are those just not as big as the one right here? Like tell us a little bit more about why this is more important than some of the others.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (25:53.262)

Because this is the end. This is the terminus where everything has to go. So even though we have nodes in our underarm, we have nodes in a crease, every crease of the body.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (25:55.042)

Okay.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (26:02.081)

your your chest, your neck. We have hundreds of nodes in our abdomen, more in our chest, more in our neck. So when we’re doing things like a crunch or an exercise, we’re actually stimulating those lymph flows. And think about it, why people get hip problems, why they get hip replacements, why we have shoulder problems. It’s because the nodes tend to get more acidic. and we know now a study came out saying that our nodes are filling with fat as we get older. And that’s a problem, right? Because they found that

As they fill with fat, they damage the lymph node, and now it’s no longer able to promote these immune complexes. So our immune system weakens as we get older. So that’s why it’s important to know how to open up your lymphatic system. Use your lymph nodes as little pumps that we can actually stimulate to create flow through them to get the fats and waste out of them.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (26:54.862)

And if it fills with fat, you’re saying we have the ability to actually help to push that through.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (27:00.375)

Well, you know, it’s not proven yet, but if we know that our nodes are filling with fat a lot of what I talk about is is even though I wrote about it two thousand or three and realized we’re it’s c be creating disease, it’s just starting to come into the focus of the medical system. So in my podcast, I’m very careful about what I talk about and and how I bring it out. But we we do know that the lymph system is is basically for everything, every health problem, not just not just a thyroid. as you mentioned.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (27:14.424)

Yeah, yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (27:30.359)

It’s throughout the whole body. But people with hip problems, you know, why are they having to get their hips replaced? Why do people get tired? It’s because the lymph system is not able to clear the waist in those areas. but it’s not just from those areas, it has to work all the way up to your body, it has to work up to this area right here. And that’s why I focus, even though I teach how to drain the whole body, even in the mouth, the eyes, we have to know everybody. If you go on Instagram, I’m always telling people, almost every day, I go, hey, let’s do the lymph man shoulder shuffle.

Just to remind people.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (28:00.782)

Can you show us that just because I think it’s one of those things that is fairly simple to do and from everything you’re explaining, it really works well and it’s very, very effective. So how is this the main way that you help to open up this vessel right here? Okay.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (28:20.247)

Yeah, it’s the most direct and and main way. You see a lot of people online and they’re great showing you how to drain your face or drain this. my work is not so much about

Inna Topiler CNS MS (28:27.534)

Yeah, I see a lot of draining face with just like a lot of the vibrations in here and the neck. And I do some of that as well. Like I learned some of that and I do that and it helps. Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (28:35.629)

Good. Yeah, yeah, there’s a lot of people online. But my stuff is more about when you have a health problem, you’re not caring about what you look like. Some people may, you just want to get well. So I I tend to understand how we can get the lymphatic system flowing. And you can drain yourself in five to ten minutes, but if we can open up our lymphatic system in a matter of

Five seconds and do that numerous times a day. Wow, it changes your lives. And I hear from people all the time who tell me, John, I’ve been doing your lymph manshoulder shuffle, my allergies are gone, my my my headaches have gone. I haven’t had them in a week. So it’s just out of your it doesn’t happen overnight. That’s one thing to realize about the lymphatic system. It’s not gonna change things overnight, even though you may feel a little different. When I work on people from the first session, they feel a difference, right? but we wanna just get those cells to change over time. So it’s more about

Inna Topiler CNS MS (28:56.749)

Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (29:25.359)

Being consistent rather than doing something big. Like some people, today I’m gonna do hyperbaric today and I’m gonna do a massage today and I’m gonna do this today. We don’t wanna do that. We wanna spread out the things that we do because when we do too much to our lymphatic system in one day, it releases too much waste, it can actually congest the lymphatic system because it’s making you toxic and it’s gonna make you have more of your symptoms.

And that may scare people away. So we just have to understand that we are releasing waste, even when we do, excuse me, the lymph and I’m sorry that anytime I stop moving my lymphatic system, I burp a little bit because it’s getting my metabolism going, right? It’s getting my metabolism to work. and I I see that with many people. So let’s do the lymph man shoulder show. All right. I’m gonna move my camera a little bit so you guys can see. So the major my camera, my mic. So the major lymph vessel is right under your clavicle, right? Right under the bone, right under your neck. one little

Inna Topiler CNS MS (29:59.279)

That’s good. Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (30:06.828)

Yeah, great.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (30:18.767)

tiny angel hair pasta. So you’ll see a lot of people they do this they move back and forth. That is only moving around it. It’s not doing it. It’s just moving around, right?

Inna Topiler CNS MS (30:27.414)

Wow. It’s actually if you do this, it almost feels like you’re crunching on it in like not a good way.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (30:31.863)

Right. And that’s why we don’t want we can do that and a lot of people do it, that’s fine. But what I developed is something to move those vessels up and down to stretch them. So what we do is I put my hands on my lap, we put one shoulder up and the other one goes down, and then we reverse it.

And we do that very quickly. If you have neck pain, you have surgeries, you have pins in your neck, do it a hot first check with your doctor and make sure it’s okay. but then just do it very easy. Even if you just did it really lightly, just really slowly, you will feel it. But then once you Yeah, but even do it a little faster now. Now if you don’t have any pain, really do it fast, just straight up and down.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (31:01.112)

I doing right.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (31:10.663)

man, you know, I’m teaching my one-year-old granddaughter. Because I’ve always said we should teach children from the age of five about the lymphatic system. We we really should. my granddaughter’s she was born at 2.8 pounds. My daughter had pre-eclampsia, which, you know, she almost died. thankfully she’s here. The baby now is is super healthy. And I’ve been teaching her the lymph shuffle, and she laughs at me, but I see her doing this now.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (31:13.622)

Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (31:17.271)

Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (31:24.338)

my gosh.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (31:38.645)

She’s not doing it yet, but she’s trying, right? And what a difference that can make because our children are blocked up. Yeah, that’s it. Doesn’t that feel different?

Inna Topiler CNS MS (31:38.702)

Mm-hmm. That’s so cute. Yeah.

Yes. It feels good. I I think it you just have to also be very mindful to make sure you have good posture because if you’re like this and you do it, then it actually can like go into your neck. So it’s just about like sitting up straight with like, you know, shoulders like not too back, but just back a little bit where you’re not like crunching your neck.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (31:55.867)

Right, yeah. Yeah, postures key.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (32:06.33)

Yeah, just head up.

Shoulders back, head back, and and your chest out a little bit. I mean, you should feel that immediately. during my lectures, I I tell people, okay, let’s just, if you’ve been slouching a little bit in front of your phone, let’s just straighten up a little bit. And as soon as you straighten up, you feel a difference in your body. So my thing is I tell people, whenever you see somebody slouching, and me and my wife do this all the time, you know, we’ll be walking by each other and I’ll be slouching or she’ll be slouching, and won’t the one of us will just straighten up and the other one will straighten up. So when

Inna Topiler CNS MS (32:10.83)

Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (32:36.78)

Yeah. huh.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (32:37.404)

Never right, it’s just the idea of our head, we can’t be slouching. And we’re gonna slouch. It happens all the time. I’m on a computer eight hours a day. I’m gonna slouch. I just remember to straighten up all the time. Because I believe a lot of our health problems come from we’re all in front of a computer, we work in front of a computer eight, nine, ten hours a day, we go home sit in front of a computer. And sitting that long and having our head forward can really be delimiting our lymph flow. So have in front of your computer, take a few deep breaths, right? We should have that on a little pad. do

Inna Topiler CNS MS (32:42.67)

Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (32:48.332)

Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (33:07.404)

lymph man, shoulder, shuffle, all these little things that you can do can make a great difference in how you flow. We need to flow.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (33:14.572)

Right. Yeah. And it’s interesting, like doing this just for like two minutes, not even a minute and a half that we just did. I find, first of all, I do feel, I mean, I’m pretty in tune with my body if I just take a second and like feel, but I do definitely feel that kind of flow that you were saying. But I also notice and I tend to slouch and I I’m aware of it, but sometimes, you know, I fix it, but then like we just go into our waist because I think our muscles and our fascia almost like

they just get used to that position, right? It’s it’s hard to, you know, like y you it takes a lot of effort. But what I noticed was as I did that just for a minute and a half, it’s actually easier to sit up straight. Like it almost like woke things up a little bit where I don’t feel like I need to do this again. Like it’s easier to do that.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (34:02.072)

Mob our mobility has a lot of people, you know, some people wake up the next day, do something, and exercise, the next day their their arm don’t work or their shoulder don’t work. That’s because waste has moved through the body and gotten trapped into their area where they have leaf circulation. And that’s what creates immobility. It’s about the your body, well that area is like a let’s call it a five-pound bag with fluid, but you have so much fluid it’s like it’s like eight pounds of fluid and it’s putting pressure in your body.

And you can’t move. So when we when we relieve that pressure, your body’s easier to move. And we do it with the lymphatic system. And exercise alone, I can it’s good to know how to drain yourself. That’s what I teach. But I believe exercise, you need to stop doing exercise. If you’re a person who is not doing exercise, you have to find out what you can do to move your blood, because that’s really what it’s about, it’s movement.

But we gotta concentrate on this area. We just can’t walk and you know and and not think about this area. If you’re about to go for a walk, do the lymph man shoulder shuffle a few times and then go for a walk. That way your lymph system’s already opened up.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (35:05.294)

Because then everything is moving better. Yeah. Now, because you mentioned this is where things end, which is why you have to stimulate that. But if you stimulate this, but maybe don’t do anything specific for, you know, the lymph nodes in here, like in your under your arms or maybe in your belly, does can that make those more stagnant? Like do you have to do it all or not necessarily?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (35:32.377)

It’s a good idea to do all because we want to create a wave through our body. I call it creating a tsunami. You know, we all know what a tsunami looks like. It picks up houses, trucks. We want to make a tsunami by changing our diet for a few days, doing a little bit more for our lymphatic system, doing some deep breathing, doing some exercise, taking some supplements like magnesium or digestive enzyme, to sort of help create that wave through your body so it’ll pick up more waste. Because right now we’re not flowing well and that wave is not happening, and that’s why our waste is filling in our tissues and our

Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (36:05.09)

Now, if we want to activate some of the other areas, is that by also moving those areas? Or do you kind of like doing like because there’s self massage? I mean, there’s many different ways. What are some of your favorites?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (36:20.088)

Yeah, when we open up the matrix lymph vessels, it is opening up whole body, right? Not as effective maybe down towards your legs, but it is opening it up. Now, we really just many things. I mean, I I drain myself almost every night. I spend about five, six minutes just doing a quick drainage routine that I teach.

And it doesn’t take long. I call it a 12-minute routine, but it takes me once you how to do it about five minutes. And I go to bed feeling flow through my body. And we want to do it in the morning and night. Most people wake up stiff in the morning. it takes some time to get going. It’s because you’re cleaning waist all night and you’re more toxic. So if we can wake up, sit on the side of your bed, and just do your lymph man, shoulder shuffle 20 times, do some overhead stretching, right? Just to open up these areas again, then we can improve how our body’s gonna come.

and you’ll feel better a lot faster. But a key time to do it is before bedtime. When we go to bed at night, we most people just exhausted, you just lie down and go to bed.

Well, our brain cleans 90% at night. So if we and our lymphatic system is the system that takes the waste from the brain, from the lymphatic system. And if your lymphatic system here is blocked, then your brain is gonna have a little bit of backup of pressure and it’s not gonna clean as well. But when we open up this area, or when we drain one part of the body, it is stim it is a system, it’s a fluid system. So when we drain one part, it’s pushing fluid into other parts of the body. So when we can stimulate the body in a whole

Routine, it becomes very powerful in this ability to help the whole body rather than just one pot, like just a dygoid.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (37:58.083)

Yeah. It’s interesting also you’re saying before bed. I mean, it makes sense logically, right? I mean, the liver is also doing a lot of its cleansing at night. So it makes sense. but my question to you is when you stimulate it and you start the movement, right? And there’s like limp, can that make you look more swollen when you wake up in the morning because it’s moving?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (38:20.344)

Yeah, because it always makes you more toxic at first. Always. Whenever and depending on how much inflammation you have in you. If you’re just starting out, then you’re gonna have more inflammation. If you’re somebody who’s been maintaining your lymphatic system and exercising, then you’re gonna have less inflammation and you may not feel it as much through your body. But it really it what?

Inna Topiler CNS MS (38:39.682)

So should people then focus on doing it more in the morning if they’re just starting out to prevent some of the what like waking up the word tension at night, or does it not matter enough?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (38:48.699)

it really doesn’t matter. It just has to move out. It just has to move through. But we tend to

Inna Topiler CNS MS (38:51.626)

Okay. So just temporary that you may feel some smell.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (38:54.232)

Yeah, it’s temporary. Some people may last a few days, right? Depending on everybody’s system cleans differently, right? If you’re more toxic, it your system moves more slowly. but it really is the idea that we just need to get the you know this area opened up and then concentrate on your specific health problems. You have digestive issues with this, because with thyroid issues we have many different problems, right? As you said, we have brain fog, we have a lot of things that people can have, and they all stem from the lymphatic system, right? There’s one system that’s not able to

Clean us because it’s become overwhelmed, it’s constricted. That’s what people have to realize. It’s not and that’s what NIH realized. They said I’ll read it here so I get it right. changes in normal lymphatic function can alter multiple systems in the body and manifest as different and varied pathologies. There are many conditions related to lymphatic dysfunction in all body systems. So that basically means that you know.

Everything comes down to this. So even though we’re talking about thyroid, it’s it’s everything. it will have a dysfunction. But what is that dysfunction? Is it fat building in a tiny lift the lymph vessel? Is it just the lymph vessel has become acidic and constricted? is it getting pressure put on it? it really could be many things, but it really is an obstruction. So if we can get our lymphatic system going, if we can take deep breaths to open up those obstructions,

That would be powerful, right? But it’s not just once a day. We need to do it numerous times a day to open up these obstructions.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (40:31.234)

A lot of people with thyroid issues also have digestive issues. And sometimes it is because of, you know, when they are truly hypothyroid, it can slow down bowels. And then that can also, you know, the inflammation can create leaky gut. And then from that there’s IBS symptoms and all sorts of things. But if we look at it more from a lymphatic system perspective, let’s just say someone is already supporting their thyroid and they’re on the right, whether it’s supplements or thyroid hormone, to get their levels in that optimal range. And, you know, maybe they

Are, you know, addressing some of these other things, but they’re still feeling bloated. What are some things that they could do from this manual that way that you’re explaining to help drain some of the things in the abdomen, like some of the like whether it’s lymph nodes or lymph vessels? Are there any tricks that you have for that? Because people are gonna really appreciate that.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (41:23.298)

Yeah. Now I’m somebody who had IBS for thirty years diagnosed, for twenty years. I mean severe. I ate something, I was running to the bathroom. I mean it was really bad. And it ran to my family. So you didn’t think about it. You figured everybody had it. Within

Three weeks of manually, and again, I own massage therapy clinics. I taught my therapist how to do lymphatic work and I was getting lymphatic work, but I didn’t put it all together. Once I put it all together with diet and draining myself, my IBS went away in three weeks. I felt my brain pop in three weeks. It actually popped. So not only is it our digestion, it’s even your head, right? By opening up this area, we allow your digestive system to flow. So you think about

Leaky gut. Most people say that leaky gut? What is leaky gut? If I was to show you a picture of the lymphatic vessels in the intestines, you’d understand leaky gut. We have this whole secondary system that must clean dead cell material, bacteria, waste from your intestines. And when we become blocked here, or maybe there are three vessels in our abdomen that take the whole lower body, when those vessels become blocked, because when we slouch, we we crimp those, then we’re gonna limit flow out of the intestine, and that’s why it has to leak out.

Out. Right? It makes sense. Once we understand the lymphatic system, most of our health problems become very clear and evident. But right now it’s just not in the medical system. We just don’t understand it. But I experienced it. I had severe IBS. It went away in a few weeks. I’m not saying that thyroid issues will go away, but I’m saying that your symptoms will become less. That’s what it mostly is, right? We don’t cure disease. I don’t cure disease. I’m not a doctor. But we I do teach people how to reduce inflammation with the lymphatic system and as

Inna Topiler CNS MS (42:56.963)

Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (43:06.62)

As we reduce inflammation, system wide, your body starts changing. Not just one part of your body, system-wide, because it’s a system that maintains every system in your body.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:09.345)

Everything clears.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:16.524)

Yeah, for sure. Well, just let’s go back to the abdomen then, right? So obviously activate with the shoulder exercise activating this right here is gonna open it up. Are there any tricks that you have, like maybe like a manual exercise of some cum for like the the belly area? Or are you saying that if someone is feeling bloated, it still is all about right here and not to worry as much about the

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (43:35.834)

Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (43:41.538)

Yeah, kidding.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:44.543)

lymph nodes in the abdomen specifically.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (43:47.163)

I’ll I’ll I’ll tell you how to open that up, but it does come to here. This is key. If we’re pumping in our abdomen, and I really can’t show that here, but if you would put your hand, one hand above your navel and one hand below, and you would just scoop up nice and easy, just a nice scoop up, that’s draining your pelvis, your legs, and your abdomen. But

Inna Topiler CNS MS (43:50.263)

Okay.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (44:01.806)

Mm-hmm.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (44:05.464)

So essentially if this is the abdomen, you’re kind of doing this like this. So both hands scooping this way. Got it.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (44:08.802)

Yes, a nice scoop. Making a nice scoop. A nice scoop.

Right, right. That nice scoop is what’s gonna pull things out. and and it it really does work. Now another thing, because I teach different things, even though I think drainage is really good, we can’t go around draining ourselves all the time. But we can just stretch backwards. If you have an exercise ball at home or if you even don’t, if you just stretch your head, right, if you just did that backwards, that is opening up. You feel your chest opening up. I just felt tingling in my abdomen, my legs are tingling.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (44:36.727)

I feel so good.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (44:42.296)

Right.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (44:42.38)

I mean, it’s it’s powerful. It’s crazy that we don’t understand this system in medicine. I mean, I believe what I understand will change world health. And I’ve been trying since 2003. I’ve contacted the Surgeon General’s office. I’ve contacted Secretary Sibelius and they I get a a letter back, because I said I say we’re dying because we missed this a big thing. Secretary Sibelius off said, Yeah, we agree with you. We’ve been trying to realize this system since the year 2000. So it’s now 2023, and they’re just starting to realize it, right? So it’s gonna

Be another 20 or 30 years before they really the medical system understands this enough to tell the public about it, and that’s why people have to learn about the lymphatic system now because it’s an easy system that could be controlled. and in you felt it, and just opening up these vessels right here, you feel it. But there are much more things we can do, even in my courses, in my main course, my big eight-week course, because it takes time for us to get well, it doesn’t happen just doing one course in one day, it takes weeks for some people and some people for months. but I

Inna Topiler CNS MS (45:18.989)

Right.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (45:29.038)

For sure.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (45:35.842)

Of course.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (45:42.167)

Even teach how to drain the organs. It’s something I never did before. But why not drain our organs, right? Drain your heart. It’s filling with waste. Let’s get lymph vessels flowing better in our organs and then we do better. But it’s just something that we have to start thinking about much more often. Don’t be crazy about it, that you have to do everything. It’s just think of your lymphatic system. Are you breathing today? Are you moving your shoulders? Did you do some exercise? Did you eat some green food? We need to eat more cruciferous vegetables, right? I never ate vegetables, I hated vegetables.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (45:45.678)

Hmm. Right. Yeah.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (46:09.57)

Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (46:12.12)

I I’ve come to like vegetables, right? I eat meat. I definitely eat meat, but we have to balance. You know, a lot of people like the keto diet and they just eat meat. But if you’re just eating meat, that’s not what the keto diet is about. It’s about a balanced, right? You’re eating meat in a balanced diet. but most people don’t root don’t realize that.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (46:24.366)

Absolutely.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (46:28.758)

Yeah. And when people think about the lymphatic system in these days, right, say over the last like 10 years, we think about rebounding. I mean, that’s kinda a very popular thing that, you know, we see on social media and kind of people talk, I think they make that connection. I think more so with lymphatic system and rebounding than even like a self-massage or things like that. So talk to us about rebounding. Is that helpful?

Can it, you know, can it on its own do or it’s really more about opening them up, you know, manually?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (47:02.712)

I’ll tell you a quick story. About 15 years ago, rebounding was big in the in the gyms around me. And I had a few people come to me after call me and say, I just started this rebounding class where they did 45 minutes of rebounding. And they said, I don’t know what it is, I’m swelling more. Because they’ve opened up their lymph system so effectively that it actually made them more toxic. It shut down their lymph system for a few days. And it could, if we don’t stimulate it, it can stay shut down a little bit. So I’ve experienced that. To me, I could honestly

Inna Topiler CNS MS (47:17.152)

That is a lot of rebounding.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (47:32.639)

There for maybe 10-20 minutes, that’s it. A lot of times I’ll skin on for two or three minutes just to get my system moving a little bit. I don’t do a lot of exercise on it, I just bounce because it’s the power of bouncing that when you bounce your fluid and your lymph vessels and your veins, it moves up and the valves shut and then they keep the fluid up right. now I had a problem with my legs swelling, and they said it was leaky valves, so that means my valves were not closing, so that does not stop the flow. So again you

Going on a rebounder. If you have a rebounder at home, get on it. Take it out of the closet and get on it. Just start slowly, like anything with the lymphatic system. We don’t want to overwhelm it at first. We want to start slowly. But I really do like rebounding. And if you don’t have a rebounder, you can sit on a a ball, exercise ball and bounce on that.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (48:22.35)

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you can even I teach this in in one of my programs, like skim programs, like if you know, you don’t have any major like injuries or issues with your legs, you can even just go up on your toes, you know, and down and kind of like make that not jumping, but that sort of up and down effect just with your toes.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (48:33.252)

Yeah.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (48:38.83)

Yeah, just make sure you have a a a well-padded sneaker on because we don’t want our calcaneous the the bone right in the base of our heel to be banging on the floor. So just make sure you’re wearing sneakers or on a carpet or something like that. yeah, all those things work. It’s just movement. We have to move. We’re a very sedentary, you know, we live very sedentary lives. We work in front of a computer, we come home, we sit and relax, and we need to make sure we’re doing some type of exercise at at least for fifteen minutes a day to move our blood.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (49:06.124)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, John, what’s really interesting and I’d love to hear more is you were a New York City firefighter. How did you get from there to here? I mean, you are so knowledgeable and you’ve been doing this for a long time, but you didn’t start out in the medical field.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (49:26.574)

I’ve always been somebody who cared about others. In school, I would protect the kid who was being bullied. I was a lifeguard. I was a medic in the Army, US Army, and then I became a firefighter. And once I left being a firefighter, I moved to Arizona, I got bored. And I went to massage therapy school, and and luckily, more than massage, I I learned from these three world-renowned doctors, and I realized a light bulb went off in my head that when your lymphatic system isn’t working, then we’re gonna get

Inna Topiler CNS MS (49:39.31)

Thank you for your service.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (49:56.471)

Some type of a disease somewhere in your body where you have least circulation, where your lymphatic system is not cleaning effectively.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (50:04.942)

Yeah. Yeah. And twenty what?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (50:07.918)

So I’m still so I’m still helping people with how I see it. So when I’m on podcasts like yours, when I’m doing my podcast, to me if I can help, you know, I have this thing, you know, about changing world health, one lymphatic system at a time. So if someone’s out there and they’re gaining something from our talk, I think that’s terrific.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (50:19.246)

I love it.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (50:23.904)

Yeah. John, this is so helpful and I think it’s very eye-opening for a lot of people because as we said, people don’t talk about the lymphatic system as much, but also don’t think people realize all the things that they can do for it, simple things like what you just showed us. But for those people who want to learn more and who want to connect with you and maybe go further, where can they find you and how can they connect?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (50:47.812)

Yeah, go to healthy lymphlym ph system.com, healthylimpsystem.com. contact me as a contact form, and I’ll answer your questions and give you some insight. But one thing I want to leave people with is about the power of magnesium. when we’re acidic in our body, everything constricts. Magnesium helps many things. Many supplements don’t work without magnesium, many chemical reactions don’t work without magnesium. So magnesium, and again, they should check with their healthcare practitioner.

Magnesium may be one of the first supplements that we need to take and take enough. Because most people say, I take a pill before I go to bed. Well, how much is that pill? You know, is it about 550 milligrams? Is what we need, what research is starting to find out. So we need to take like 250 in the morning, 250 at night. And then with the food we’re eating, we’re getting up to that amount that we need. Because even though we take a supplement and it may say 400 milligrams, with magnesium, we’re only getting 30 to 40% absorption.

So if you’re taking a 400 milligram pill, you’re only getting about 200 and something or less. And we really need about 550 milligrams. A study came out and said that if we’re you’re not taking 550 milligrams, if you’re taking what the internet says about 350, you may still have your illnesses. You may still have your health problems. So make sure you check your magnesium.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (52:08.716)

your favorite magnesiums you have so many different kinds. There’s citrate and glycinate and malleate and thurionate. What are some of the ones that you find work the best?

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (52:17.71)

Yeah, I like magnesium dinglycinate, right? Because glycine has been found to have many anti-aging properties. so if we can take magnesium with glycinate in it, glycine, that’s a win-win. But citrate works. There are many different types of magnesium. I use a magnesium spray on my legs. you know, there are many different types. But magnesium dinglycinate is the type that I use. And normally it’s about 120 milligram capsule. So I take two in the morning, two at night, and once in a while if I need it, I might take two in the afternoon.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (52:48.334)

That’s my favorite as well. citrate is good, but it will bring water to the bowel. So for people who are already prone to loose bowels, that could be an issue. And, you know, we have to also make sure that we’re balancing it with calcium. Most people actually have the opposite. They get more calcium than magnesium. And you know, a lot of times people are taught to do two to one ratio of calcium to magnesium, but for many people, I find it’s at least one to one. And sometimes it’s even the other way of more magnesium than calcium.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (53:15.044)

Yeah. Research has shown that it’s double the magnesium than calcium. But when we take a lot of people, especially as they get older, they think, I need more calcium because I’m gonna lose bone. Well, they found that when people take excess calcium, it builds in their heart. So we don’t want to get that calcification in our heart. And magnesium helps to helps the calcium break down and work and flow through your body. So magnesium is really key. And the only thing that’s gonna happen if you take too much, you’re gonna get a little loose bowel. And some people need that truthfully once in a while. but just if you get a little loose.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (53:43.347)

That’s true.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (53:45.038)

you back off a little bit, right? and you get to a dose where it it doesn’t affect you that way.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (53:50.551)

Yeah. And you know, doing, you know, looking at magnesium in the blood, it really isn’t very efficient just because your body’s gonna compensate. So, you know, we always talk about looking at it in your tissues. A hair test is a really great way to look at that for everyone listening. And then on a hair test, you know, we don’t look at just your magnesium level itself and your calcium, we look at the ratio of calcium and magnesium. And that’s when we can see because sometimes people can be taking sometimes even no calcium.

Just magnesium and their ratio still can be off with more calcium than magnesium in their tissues because of just you know it’s amazing how much the body stores that calcium and you need that extra magnesium. And again, it’s important to kind of see where you are. We don’t want to just take it blindly, but if that’s the case, you may need more than what you realize to be able to skew that balance. But because that’s going to be very constricting to the body when you have more calcium than magnesium.

And so by taking more that helps not just to relax your muscles, but as you mentioned, like everything for the lymph system. And even sometimes like people will have bladder issues and there could be calcification and it can cause constriction and it can make, you know, people almost have an overact of bladder type symptoms too.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (55:04.248)

And a lot of that calcification, to see this in prostate with men, they found that the the the vessels around a prostate are calcified, meaning they’re filling with waste. So it’s not just calcium, it’s actually a lot of the body’s waste. That’s what shows up as calcification in our body and our organs. So it’s the fact that your lymph system is not able to clean this waste and it’s building in the organs and it starts showing up as a calcification. But it really is just limiting flow. It’s just really and not allowing to it to flow.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (55:33.036)

Yeah, yeah. Well amazing. Well, John, thank you so much for being here and for all of this information. We’re gonna put all of your contact information in the show notes. I’m sure people are gonna want to check out your podcast, look at your social media and see what else they can do because it is so important and I think it’s so nice that we can see that this is something we do have control over and it doesn’t have to

be something that’s extremely expensive or, you know, I mean, it’s nice to go get a lymphatic drainage massage, but how often can you do that? Right. I mean, it is pricey. So just being able to have tools that we can do on our own, you know, and maybe supplement with those massages along the way. But having these tools is so helpful and like kind of puts the control in our hands, which is always nice.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (56:17.444)

Yeah. Right, and that’s the whole thing. What can we do a few times a day to improve our lymph flow to get our cells to be healthier? We don’t think about ourselves. We have to think about our cells much more often, right? Are your cells happy in their environment or are they not? Most of our cells are sitting in acidity and a very toxic environment, and that’s why they’re not doing well.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (56:38.718)

Well, thank you again so much for being here. And I know this information is going to be so helpful for so many people. So I appreciate you.

John Ossipinsky – LymphMan (56:46.318)

Thank you. I enjoyed our talk and I appreciate you. All right. Keep flowing, everyone.

Inna Topiler CNS MS (56:50.497)

Yes.

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Episode 227

Bloated, Puffy, Tired, and Foggy? How Moving Your Lymph Helps, with John Ossipinsky

How Your Lymphatic System Affects Hashimoto's, Brain Fog, Bloating, and Thyroid Function, Plus Simple Daily Ways to Get It Moving Again

Your Thyroid Sits at the End of the Lymphatic Line

Why Cellular Health Depends on Lymph Flow

Signs Your Lymphatic System Is Backed Up

Brain Fog and the Brain’s Overnight Cleanup

Why You May Feel Worse Before You Feel Better

Hydration Keeps the River Moving

Breathing and Posture

The LymphMan Shoulder Shuffle

Bloating, IBS, and the Lymph Vessels in Your Gut

Rebounding Without Overdoing It

Magnesium, Calcium, and a Body That Can Relax

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Your Thyroid Sits at the End of the Lymphatic Line

Why Cellular Health Depends on Lymph Flow

Signs Your Lymphatic System Is Backed Up

Brain Fog and the Brain’s Overnight Cleanup

Why You May Feel Worse Before You Feel Better

Hydration Keeps the River Moving

Breathing and Posture

The LymphMan Shoulder Shuffle

Bloating, IBS, and the Lymph Vessels in Your Gut

Rebounding Without Overdoing It

Magnesium, Calcium, and a Body That Can Relax

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